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angelo Campanella - 30 Aug 2007 17:03 GMT
Dear All:
    I am having difficulty transforming my access to these news groups when
using high speed internet access.

    The high speed worked News Net OK last night but not today...

    It seems to be my news reader software, Netscape "Mail and news
groups". There are several account settings that must be correct, a
matter resolved before for dial-up, but mysterious to complete when
changing speed and ISP's.

    Right now, as long as my old ATT dial-up still work, I can communicate
here.

    I have avoided Microsoft products for fear of spam and virus. But I may
have to change my ways.

    Ay advice is appreciated.
        Sincerely,

            Angelo Campanella
Peter Larsen - 30 Aug 2007 16:17 GMT
> It seems to be my news reader software, Netscape "Mail and news
> groups".

Hmm ... I am using Netscape Commicator 4.7, works fine for me. I have
also tried the last version of it, ie. version 7, it also seems to work
fine, but the box I installed in on blew its mobo and remains unfixed.

> There are several account settings that must be correct, a
> matter resolved before for dial-up, but mysterious to complete when
> changing speed and ISP's.

Generally speaking high speed internet access and "always on" requires a
hardware firewall. I strongly recommend the 3com 3c858 as in my
professional opinion being the most bang for the buck for home users.

> I have avoided Microsoft products for fear of spam and virus. But I may
> have to change my ways.

Outlook Express with the third party add-on Outlook Quotefix is also
quite nice, I just like the classic netscape layout better, fortunatel
that skin remains a part of version 7.

>         Ay advice is appreciated.

Not all is appropiate for newsgroup discussion, you are most welcome to
mail me at plarsen@mail.tele.dk, I may or may not be able to assist with
setup choices, you are so extremely helpful here that I gladly will
assist pro bono.

>                         Angelo Campanella

  Kind regards

  Peter Larsen
vivek - 30 Aug 2007 17:37 GMT
On Aug 30, 9:17 am, Peter Larsen <SPAMSHIELD_plar...@mail.tele.dk>
wrote:
> > It seems to be my news reader software, Netscape "Mail and news
> > groups".
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>
>    Peter Larsen

How about using thunderbird by mozilla. it is an ok reader and email
application similar to outlook. i try to avoid MS applications as much
as possible.
Angelo Campanella - 31 Aug 2007 02:47 GMT
> Hmm ... I am using Netscape Commicator 4.7, works fine for me. I have
> also tried the last version of it, ie. version 7, it also seems to work
> fine, but the box I installed in on blew its mobo and remains unfixed.

       I solved the mystery: The setup for a news reader must include an ID
and password as for e-mail, which is amenable to automatic service via a
password manager, to be found in most e-mail software these days. Whence the
password gate becomes totally transparent to the user; that is until he
tries to repeat the setup for a different situation (e.e. my high speed
transfiguration). Only by carefully setting up new software (Outlook Express
in my case) was that requirement encountered and appreciated by me. In my
previous many Netscape attempts over the past few days, that requirement was
either not encountered or overlooked.

       At the moment, using high speed with Outlook Express to read the
newsmail.

       (By the way, I found that "Outlook" does NOT contain a newsgroup
reader; only "Outlook EXPRESS" contains that.

This answer was purveyed via OutlookExpress.

                        Angelo Campanella
Peter Larsen - 31 Aug 2007 08:17 GMT


>> Hmm ... I am using Netscape Commicator 4.7, works fine for me.
>> I have also tried the last version of it, ie. version 7, it also
>> seems to work fine, but the box I installed in on blew its mobo
>> and remains unfixed.

> I solved the mystery: The setup for a news reader must include
> an ID and password as for e-mail, which is amenable to automatic
> service via a password manager, to be found in most e-mail software
> these days.

I thought they had added password caching also to the news-reader logon
in Communicator, 4.7 can only cache mailserver passwords ... if it is
there then it logically belongs under server options, I will have to
look into this anyway when I migrate to NS 7.2.

> At the moment, using high speed with Outlook Express to read the
> newsmail.

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

> By the way, I found that "Outlook" does NOT contain a newsgroup
> reader; only "Outlook EXPRESS" contains that.

Be happy, Outlook puts everything in a single large database file. In
that respect OE is a much saner design. Should you ever need to import
an OE database into outlook on another machine, then you have to do it
via importing into OE and transfer it to Outlook. I always end up
missing [m] to toggle read status and [k][k] to mark a thread read by
killing and reviving it when I use OE. You may well also have to go via
OE to import things in Thunderbird, it as well as the matching browser
are on my list of "never install because they fail to uninstall cleanly"
items.

You can read newsgroups via Outlook, but they need to have intermediary
storage in public folders on an Exchange server OR you need to install a
third party add-on. You may be able to find it via the OE-quotefix
context, there is also a quotefix for Outlook. My recommendation is
however to keep newsreading and mailreading in separate databases, I use
Outlook for professional context mail, but mot for private mail. OE is a
lot faster with a large database than Outlook. Outlook however is the
winner when using IMAP, preferably on an Exchange - that is after all,
what it is made for.

> This answer was purveyed via OutlookExpress.

Nice that it works for you ... thank you for the  feedback!

>                          Angelo Campanella

 Kind regards

 Peter Larsen
user@lost.in.the.net - 31 Aug 2007 18:37 GMT
>Dear All:
>    I am having difficulty transforming my access to these news groups when
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>
>            Angelo Campanella

Have you tried any of the dedicated purpose news reader software? I've
been haunting the newsgroups for over 15 years and very early on I
found that the mail programs such as OE, Netscape, etc., that the
newsgroup reading implementations in them is just an add-on
(especially with OE) and they do a poor job. Forget binaries with OE
because it just doesn't work without using a bunch of third party
add-ons. Forte Agent  http://forteinc.com  does email very well, but
Agent really shines when comparing the level of security and
flexibility of the program when reading either text or binary groups.

Note: I am NOT pushing/selling/hawking Forte Agent. There are several
good News Readers out there that are better than what Micro$oft or
Mozilla provides. I used Agent as an example because it works so well
for both text and binaries, it's reasonably priced, you get a 30 day
free try before you buy, they have been in business since 1994 and
their tech support is excellent compared to Micro$oft.

Yes, there is a learning curve. If you're a total newbie to software
other than what Micro$oft dumps into Window$, you will need to do a
little reading of instructions and following directions to set it up.
It's no more difficult than installing one of the new network enabled
multi-player shoot 'em up video games. An hour or so of your time will
be well rewarded by a fast, efficient news reader that doesn't have
all the built in security flaws Micro$oft is famous for.

You can google for "news reader" or "nntp reader" and find lots of
dedicated news reader packages. This page
http://usenetserver.com/download.html#PC  has links to many of the
available news readers. Some are totally free, others are very
modestly priced. They have nice descriptions of what each news reader
is best at, some are better for binaries, some are better for text
only, and they have simplified instructions for installing each news
reader.

I use Usenetserver.com for my news provider. It's less than $14 a
month, unlimited uploads and downloads (I average >20 Gigabytes a
month in binary downloads) excellent completion and retention of
messages. They currently host over 68,000 news groups. I regularly get
6 megabits/second transfer rates downloading from Usenetserver.com.
(my cable modem is capped at 6 megabits/second.)  If you're interested
in just the text-only newsgroups, Usenetserver has free access to the
text only groups.

Good luck and happy usenet surfing.

user@lost.in.the.net
(reply in group. address is spam trap.)
Angelo Campanella - 31 Aug 2007 21:37 GMT
>>    It seems to be my news reader software, Netscape "Mail and news
>>groups". There are several account settings that must be correct, a
>>matter resolved before for dial-up, but mysterious to complete when
>>changing speed and ISP's.

    I learned that my boo-boo was to make light of the ID and password
protocol. A decision had to be made whether I was to use my dew yahoo ID
or my old Worldnet ID. I bobbled,  made poor choices and ignored the
consequence. No ID log-in hence the error 623 and timeouts.... syndrome
of the same mistake leading to the same error in perpetuity.

    Only yesterday evening did I discover, via the worldnet help line and a
foreign voice, that I must use the old worldnet ID and PW (who'd a thunk?)

> Have you tried any of the dedicated purpose news reader software? I've
> been haunting the newsgroups for over 15 years and very early on I
> found that the mail programs such as OE, Netscape, etc., that the
> newsgroup reading implementations in them is just an add-on
> (especially with OE) and they do a poor job.

    I got as far as early Netscape when it was a muti-funcion browsrer,
made my peace with it and stuck with it. Up to version 7, it kept the
multifunctionaily. But Netscape 8 does not contain a news reader.

    Whence I tried Outlook Express yesterday. That ran out of appeal when I
discovered that I cannot type key words or just a few letters into the
highbar to isolate messages of particular interes for reading. So I'm
back to Netscape 7.1 as my News Reader. I cannot meld dial-up with high
speed there. So I have perforce two directores of contemporary messages.
se la vie.

> Forget binaries with OE
> because it just doesn't work without using a bunch of third party
> add-ons. Forte Agent  http://forteinc.com  does email very well, but
> Agent really shines when comparing the level of security and
> flexibility of the program when reading either text or binary groups.

    I have heard of Agent for some time. I have not vetured there since it
will be just one more entitiy  that sucks up gray matter bandwidth.

> Yes, there is a learning curve. If you're a total newbie to software
> other than what Micro$oft dumps into Window$, you will need to do a
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> be well rewarded by a fast, efficient news reader that doesn't have
> all the built in security flaws Micro$oft is famous for.

    Follwing directions is the operative term.

> I use Usenetserver.com for my news provider. It's less than $14 a
> month, unlimited uploads and downloads (I average >20 Gigabytes a
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> in just the text-only newsgroups, Usenetserver has free access to the
> text only groups.

    I have not expanded my energy in tha direction.

    The Worldnet collection, about 25,000 newsgroups serve me. But one has
to admit; ou'll never know about something new if one cannot see it!

> Good luck and happy usenet surfing.

    I can save some of  that for my retirement (may never happen).

        Ang. C.
 
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