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MLSSA system on eBay

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Tony - 29 Jan 2008 22:45 GMT
I hope you feel sorry for me as I'm feeling sorry for myself - I'm selling
my MLSSA system.  This has been a good companion for about 15 years, but the
display on my portable PC with a full length ISA slot became unreliable, so
it had to go.  It would be ideal for a fixed measurement system, perhaps for
a speaker designer.  It's on eBay, item no. 140203143477.  (If you don't
know what MLSSA does see http://www.mlssa.com/)

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Angelo Campanella - 02 Feb 2008 21:20 GMT
> I hope you feel sorry for me as I'm feeling sorry for myself - I'm selling
> my MLSSA system.  This has been a good companion for about 15 years, but the
> display on my portable PC with a full length ISA slot became unreliable, so
> it had to go.  It would be ideal for a fixed measurement system, perhaps for
> a speaker designer.  It's on eBay, item no. 140203143477.  (If you don't
> know what MLSSA does see http://www.mlssa.com/)

    I'm generally interested in MLSSA, but the system that is depicted in
Doug Rife's writings (or MLSSA in general) is a large (by today's
standards) and bulky unit. Almost everything I do is away from the
office, and on a laptop to boot.

    I suppose I'll have to wait for the next generation on MLSSA before I
indulge...

    Cheers,

        Ang. C.
bertstoltenborg@gmail.com - 05 Feb 2008 15:14 GMT
> > I hope you feel sorry for me as I'm feeling sorry for myself - I'm selling
> > my MLSSA system.  This has been a good companion for about 15 years, but the
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>                 Ang. C.

There ain't gonna be one.
Doug says it's to much of a niche market to develop an up to date
mlssa system.
But I can assure you it's, when you master the interface, a lot easier
to work with than those crappy systems with windows mixers and stuff
screwing up things :-).
So go for it!
Tony - 06 Feb 2008 10:30 GMT
>>         I suppose I'll have to wait for the next generation on MLSSA
>> before I
>> indulge...

> There ain't gonna be one.
> Doug says it's to much of a niche market to develop an up to date
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> screwing up things :-).
> So go for it!

I agree 100% about the interface.  But much as I love MLSSA, I think chirp
stimulus systems are the way to go, expecially for anything to do with rooms
rather than loudspeakers.

The problem with Windows seems to be that record and replay do not have any
fixed time relation and any software has to deal with that issue.  I have
decided to go with Praxis and I may post a review later.  For now I would
say that it does work, and I am getting used to it. Using a chirp, I have
done a satsfactory RT measurement down to 200 Hz using the little speakers
that came with my PC!  These speakers would never have given a usable
dynamic range with MLSSA as their distortion is pretty bad.  (Distortion >
noise on an MLS system.)  But the Praxis human interface is idiosyncratic to
say the least, and there are a quite a few "features" that need sorting out.

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Angelo Campanella - 07 Feb 2008 05:15 GMT
> say that it does work, and I am getting used to it. Using a chirp, I have
> done a satsfactory RT measurement down to 200 Hz using the little speakers
> that came with my PC!  These speakers would never have given a usable
> dynamic range with MLSSA as their distortion is pretty bad.  (Distortion >
> noise on an MLS system.)  But the Praxis human interface is idiosyncratic to
> say the least, and there are a quite a few "features" that need sorting out.

    Tell me a little more about Praxis. I googled only to fist thatt also
means just a K-12 curriculum..

    Angelo Campanella
bertstoltenborg@gmail.com - 07 Feb 2008 12:38 GMT
Praxis is the predessor of LAUD, which was a PITA to understand
itself :-)
LAUD was a mlssa like measurement system based on f.e a turtle beach
sound card.
I still own one,but didn't use it much as it is noisy and crashes a
lot. It doesn't do room acoustics like mlssa.

Some guys I know that used praxis where not very impressed by the ease
of use. Read on the site the issues with sound cards and windows
mixers.

By the way: Easera doesn't work on Vista machines. :-)
Tony - 07 Feb 2008 16:19 GMT
> Praxis is the predessor of LAUD, which was a PITA to understand
> itself :-)
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> of use. Read on the site the issues with sound cards and windows
> mixers.

Praxis has a dedicated USB interface that acts like a dongle - without it
you can use the program in demo mode, which still does quite a lot.  The
interface includes a mic amp but it isn't a sound "card", you still need one
and they recommend M-Audio Transit.  You do need a good sound card but
Praxis seems to take very firm control of the Windows mixer.

It does chirp and MLS and other test signals, and has fairly comprehensive
processing capabilities. (In fact it looks as if you could create your own
chirp and use that.  I have an idea to do one that spends longer on the low
frequencies to optimise the dynamic range for RT measurements.)

I commented on the human interface in my previous post.   The oddest
feature is that every separate aspect of the program is a separate window on
the desktop.  Typically a normal operation will have 5 or 6 windows open,
and they can be difficult to keep track of.  The other down side that I have
so far come across is that the plotted results do not look very
professional.  But I needed fairly urgently a system to do laptop based time
and frequency response and Praxis does it.  The alternative would probably
have been WinMLS but I didn't like their pricing model - to do the things I
need would have needed pretty well their top price.

I don't want to make too many comments on Praxis yet as I am still learning
to use it.  So far I can say, it does work!  I have crashed it once by
trying to post process at the same time as it was acquiring data, but I
haven't been able to do it again despite trying.

I would be interested in keeping in touch with any other Praxis users.   At
the moment there isn't a user forum although the author has said he will
organise one if there is interest.
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Angelo Campanella - 09 Feb 2008 05:25 GMT
> Praxis has a dedicated USB interface that acts like a dongle - without it
> you can use the program in demo mode, which still does quite a lot.  The
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> the moment there isn't a user forum although the author has said he will
> organise one if there is interest.

You coan initiate that here if your wish, as traffic on this news group
is down at the moment. As soon as you all get your act together, you can
form the user's group with the skeleton so created.

    Anegelo Campanella
 
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