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Absorption Value For Gravel

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Matt - 30 Jul 2008 19:51 GMT
I've been working on a project analyzing the propagation of outdoor
noise and need to determine the amount of ground absorption a gravel
surface will provide.  The area in question would be covered with 6"
of 1.5 - 2" stone.  So far I haven't been able to find any information
on commonly accepted absorption values for gravel or other types of
surfaces for that matter.  Does anyone know what an appropriate value
would be or where to look?  Specifically, the software I'm using takes
a value of G as an input (between 0 and 1), but any information would
be helpful.  Thanks.

Matt
Geoff Leventhall - 31 Jul 2008 21:00 GMT
Matt

There is work on absorption over railway ballast, but I can't locate it.
However, search under the name Keith Attenborough

A very old paper is

The sound-absorbing properties of some common out-door materials
G W C Kaye and E J Evans 1940 Proc. Phys. Soc. 52 371-379   doi:
10.1088/0959-5309/52/3/307

Which you can find on

www.iop.org/EJ/article/0959-5309/52/3/307/prv52i3p371.pdf

but it will cost you $30

Good Luck

Geoff

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> I've been working on a project analyzing the propagation of outdoor
> noise and need to determine the amount of ground absorption a gravel
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> Matt
Angelo Campanella - 01 Aug 2008 01:59 GMT
> I've been working on a project analyzing the propagation of outdoor
> noise and need to determine the amount of ground absorption a gravel
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> a value of G as an input (between 0 and 1), but any information would
> be helpful.  Thanks.

I Googled

Gravel+Sound+Absorption

to obtain:
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"The sound-absorbing properties of some common out-door materials

G W C Kaye et al 1940 Proc. Phys. Soc. 52 371-379   doi:
10.1088/0959-5309/52/3/307  Help
           
      PDF (586 KB) | References | Articles citing this article
       
G W C Kaye and E J Evans
Physics Department, The National Physical Laboratory, Teddington, Middlesex

    Abstract. The sound absorption coefficients of pure sounds of
frequencies from 125 to 4000 cycles per second have been measured at
random incidence for specimens of some commonly occurring out-door
materials, among them, gravel, turf, sand, ashes, railway-track ballast
and snow. They mostly share the common characteristic of increased
absorption with rising pitch. Some of the materials (e.g. loose gravel
soil and ashes) are highly absorbent, snow is remarkably so, while
others (e.g. compressed gravel and wet sand) are indifferent absorbents.
Some practical aspects are discussed, and also the influence of nearly
grazing incidence, such as often obtains with out-door sounds, in
raising the degree of absorption.

Print publication: Issue 3 (1 May 1940)
Received 25 January 1940

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    Seems to be the same reference cited by others.

    The comment about ashes is apt, as the porosity must be realtively fine
to affect any significant low frequency absorption. A "green" use of
Clinkers?

For yor model, I'd use 0.5 as an input.....

maybe o.25 up to 250 Hz, then 0.75 above.

    Angelo Campanella
Ken Plotkin - 02 Aug 2008 23:45 GMT
If you're looking at sound propagation, is the concept of an
absorption value meaningful?  That 1940 paper may be very good for
what it is, but it predates modern understanding of outdoor
propagation.  It's not as simple as just an absorption coefficient.

In his 1996 tutorial on "Sound Propagation Outdoors"  (J. Acoust. Soc.
Am. Vol 100, No. 1, July 1996) Tony Embleton gives a flow resistivity
value of 1500 to 4000 MKS Rayls for limestone chips .01 to .025 m.
Which I think comes out to the same size as your gravel.  There may be
more data in other JASA articles by Tony and his NRC colleagues.

Ken Plotkin
Angelo Campanella - 03 Aug 2008 15:50 GMT
> If you're looking at sound propagation, is the concept of an
> absorption value meaningful?  That 1940 paper may be very good for
> what it is, but it predates modern understanding of outdoor
> propagation.  It's not as simple as just an absorption coefficient.

    That's true for long extents of surfacing material. But I would think
that railway gravel is not of that sort.. It could have to do with rail
sound enission reduction, or propagation in tunnels (admitedly then a
long-distace matter).

> In his 1996 tutorial on "Sound Propagation Outdoors"  (J. Acoust. Soc.
> Am. Vol 100, No. 1, July 1996) Tony Embleton gives a flow resistivity
> value of 1500 to 4000 MKS Rayls for limestone chips .01 to .025 m.
> Which I think comes out to the same size as your gravel.  There may be
> more data in other JASA articles by Tony and his NRC colleagues.

    My vrey limited experience is to use gravel as an absorber at the base
of ventilation shafts, where the choice is between earth, gravel or
concrete surfacing. I usually recommend fine gravel as a pragmatic
treatment for air handling noise reduction.

        Angelo Campanella
Ken Plotkin - 03 Aug 2008 21:19 GMT
>    That's true for long extents of surfacing material. But I would think
>that railway gravel is not of that sort.. It could have to do with rail
>sound enission reduction, or propagation in tunnels (admitedly then a
>long-distace matter).

The original post talked of outdoor sound propagation and gravel
spread over an area.  Railroad ballast came up in the follow-ups.

Maybe Matt should give more of a description of what he's looking for.

Ken Plotkin
Matt - 08 Aug 2008 17:02 GMT
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:50:21 GMT, Angelo Campanella
>
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>
> Ken Plotkin

For those interested, I thought I'd give a little better description
of the project in question.  It's a new utility plant being
constructed in a fairly rural location.  The main concern with the
project is the loud fan noise from equipment such as chillers, load
banks, and transformers.  The gravel I was talking about would be
spread over the site, however the surrounding area is mainly grass/
tree covered with the exception of road surfaces.

I hadn't mentioned before that I'm using CadnaA to model the sound
propagation and projected levels at nearby houses.  One of the inputs
to the program is an absorption coefficient, "G", for either the
entire surface or any called out smaller areas.  Therefore I'm
modeling the surroundings as highly absorptive, while the gravel will
be somewhat less so.  And in case anyone is wondering, altering the
gravel absorption does not have a very significant impact on the
results in this case.

Matt
gu_tar - 06 Aug 2008 02:02 GMT
> > If you're looking at sound propagation, is the concept of an
> > absorption value meaningful?  That 1940 paper may be very good for
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>
>                 Angelo Campanella

Angelo,

Thanks for this insight, a while ago I had a project that involved the
noise control for underground railway systems. The ventilation tunnels
were very long 10 to 20 metres and longer on some occasions. I was
scratching my head about how to provide some absorption in a concrete
tunnel.

Does anyone know if the data from Egan (below) has any indication on
the size/grade of the gravel. Keeping the gravel moist might be a bit
of a problem for health reasons, especially in tropical climates. I
don't have a copy of the book at the moment.

Cheers Tom
Savant - 05 Aug 2008 22:03 GMT
> I've been working on a project analyzing the propagation of outdoor
> noise and need to determine the amount of ground absorption a gravel
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>
> Matt

M. David Egan, "Architectural Acoustics" (McGraw-Hill 1988 edition -
the b&w hardbound one with the crappy binding), data from Table on
page 52-53:

Gravel, loose and moist, 4 in thick
f: alpha
125 Hz: 0.25
250 Hz: 0.60
500 Hz: 0.65
1 kHz: 0.70
2 kHz: 0.75
4 kHz: 0.80
NRC: 0.70

Three references are provided in the table, two of which might contain
the above, but none of which I have in my library. See text for more
details.

Savant
Matt - 08 Aug 2008 14:13 GMT
> > I've been working on a project analyzing the propagation of outdoor
> > noise and need to determine the amount of ground absorption a gravel
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>
> Savant

Thanks for the reference.  It was quite helpful, especially since it
was easy to get a sense of how gravel compares with grass, snow,
water, etc. since they were all listed together.  For my project I've
decided to use an average value of 0.5, as was suggested by Angelo,
just to be safe and account for variations in the gravel size and
moisture level.

Tom:  Sorry, I haven't found any indication of the gravel size for
that data.  Maybe checking one of the above references will provide
insight.
 
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