> I am on the board of a NYC co-op apartment. Residents of the building
> have ongoing issues with excessive noise and vibration resulting from
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> are not forced into situations where one person's word is pitted
> against another's?
Thank you all. We do understand that these situations need to be
addressed by a combination of house rules and behavior modification
more than technical solutions. Currently, our house rules require 80%
of the floor to be covered but do not specify thickness or material.
When one set of neighbors has complied by covering the appropriate
area, the difficulty usually arises from the behavior, and it's
usually perceived differently from one floor to the other. We would
be looking for a way to assist in mediation by using the data to
demonstrate to the offenders that the complainants are not being
overly sensitive or, conversely, to demonstrate to the complainants
that their situation is not out of the norm. We're aware that there
are probably not interpretive standards but hope that if the equipment
isn't too expensive, people of good will might be able to use it to
come to some common understanding before things escalate into noise
wars.
One of our members has a sound meter from Radio Shack, but it doesn't
seem to have any way to output the data. I'll do some more research.
Savant - 02 Dec 2008 15:13 GMT
On Nov 30, 8:18 pm, esmith...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thank you all. We do understand that these situations need to be
> addressed by a combination of house rules and behavior modification
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> One of our members has a sound meter from Radio Shack, but it doesn't
> seem to have any way to output the data. I'll do some more research.
As alluded to above, there are measurement standards for determining
the impact isolation of floor / ceiling systems. Any good acoustical
consultant can perform the measurement and evaluation of the floor /
ceiling system(s) in question, including the proper execution of
standardized tests. If the board is disinclined to pay for testing (it
won't be cheap), they should still consult with an acoustical
consultant (i.e., expert). Even if all the consultant is hired to do
is inspect the floor / ceiling system and perform a cursory
evaluation, it's better than DIY. Refer to www.ncac.com or www.inceusa.org
for qualified consultants / experts in your area.
More to the point is what sort of modifications are going to be
acceptable to residents. To improve the situation, modifications (to
behavior and/or flooring and/or construction and/or ...) will be
necessary and it's unlikely that all parties will be openly receptive
to them. Considering that, I would advise consultation with an expert,
who can provide details of all possible modifications. Once the
expert's report and findings have been received, they can be presented
to the board / association / residents (however that works for your
group). Whatever your formal process dictates (e.g., a vote?) usually
takes over from there.
Savant
esmith591@gmail.com - 09 Dec 2008 13:27 GMT
Thank you, Savant, for the info and the links to the consultants.
Angelo Campanella - 12 Dec 2008 05:47 GMT
> Thank you all. We do understand that these situations need to be
> addressed by a combination of house rules and behavior modification
> more than technical solutions. Currently, our house rules require 80%
> of the floor to be covered but do not specify thickness or material.
Aye, there's the rub. Success depends on which 85% is actually fitted
with carpet. I always add "... including as a minimum, all foot traffic
areas". It's very important that the occupants above realize that its
not where one might want to protect the floor, but importantly where a
vigorous pace rate will develop in traveling from place to another on
that floor surface.
A second sore spot is under chairs at tables ofen used; chair scrapes
are similarly annoying as heard below.
Ther's no easy way to mitigate this matter once it is allowed that
upper units be occupied where the effective AIIC value is below 60.
Sorry, that's the environment we live in today.
> When one set of neighbors has complied by covering the appropriate
> area, the difficulty usually arises from the behavior, and it's
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> come to some common understanding before things escalate into noise
> wars.
My option is to live in a single family dwelling.
> One of our members has a sound meter from Radio Shack, but it doesn't
> seem to have any way to output the data. I'll do some more research.
Correct. he radio shack meter measures only down to 50 dBA. If you set
it on the C-scale there is effectively some more sensitivity. For wood
joist floors, it may well pick up the footfall "boom" OK. But for
masonry floor/ceilings, its the mid frequecy "tock-tock" sounds that
really irritate in my expereince, and which are not all that strong,
even when measured on the C-scale. It's a nasy situation.
Angelo campanella