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Bob Cain - 29 Dec 2003 22:21 GMT
In lieu of an anechoic chamber for testing microphones over
their full frequency range I've been wondering if it would
be possible to make a variant of the impedence tube with
absorbant walls (to catch reflections off the microphone
under test) and a sufficiently absorbant dead end to stop
reflections from coming back.  Can anybody address the
feasability and/or construction of such a thing?

Also, does anyone know if there is an anechoic chamber at
U.C. Santa Cruz and who might manage it if so?

Thanks,

Bob
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Angelo Campanella - 29 Dec 2003 23:07 GMT
> In lieu of an anechoic chamber for testing microphones over
> their full frequency range I've been wondering if it would
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> reflections from coming back.  Can anybody address the
> feasability and/or construction of such a thing?

Fine, as long as you can prove that the absorption is good at low
frequencies. If you can't, then it is good only down to the frequency
wher TOTAL absorption is assured, perhaps 1kHz or higher.

Angelo Campanella.
Bob Cain - 30 Dec 2003 00:41 GMT
> > In lieu of an anechoic chamber for testing microphones over
> > their full frequency range I've been wondering if it would
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> frequencies. If you can't, then it is good only down to the frequency
> wher TOTAL absorption is assured, perhaps 1kHz or higher.

Right.  The question is how best to get very high absorption
across the band 20 Hz to 20 kHz on a much smaller area than
a typical anechoic room, just the end of the tube.  Maybe
it's a nutty idea, I dunno, but if it could be done I'd sure
like to give it a try.  It would probably involve some kind
of compound structure at the end but I'm no absorption guru
(by a very long ways) and the details are well beyond me.

Bob
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Svante - 30 Dec 2003 10:46 GMT
> > > In lieu of an anechoic chamber for testing microphones over
> > > their full frequency range I've been wondering if it would
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>
> Bob

My students do a laboration on this, measuring nicrophones. We have a
tube, 2m long and 30 cm diameter, and a loudspeaker IN EACH END. The
signal to the second speaker is a copy of that to the first speaker,
but delayed. The second speaker cancels the reflections that would
otherwise occur.

If you are able to read swedish, the lab instructions are available
at:
http://www.speech.kth.se/~svante/elak/miclab.pdf
...or you can just look at the pictures. :-)

The results are not terribly good, it is difficult to cancel standing
waves completely. However, I think there is room for improvement, in
particular regarding which signal is sent to the second speaker. We
will see if I ever fix that. Also, our speakers are pretty old, I
would assume that there are better ones around now.
Bob Cain - 30 Dec 2003 18:55 GMT
> The results are not terribly good, it is difficult to cancel standing
> waves completely. However, I think there is room for improvement, in
> particular regarding which signal is sent to the second speaker. We
> will see if I ever fix that. Also, our speakers are pretty old, I
> would assume that there are better ones around now.

What about a hybrid approach where the end of the tube prior
to the terminating speaker would contain some kind of fill
which would reflect little incident sound and attenuate all
but the lower frequencies as it passed through and then
using a small omni mic in front of the terminating speaker
to generate a cancelling signal to that speaker for the
remaining LF?  Feasable?

Bob
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Svante - 31 Dec 2003 16:37 GMT
> > The results are not terribly good, it is difficult to cancel standing
> > waves completely. However, I think there is room for improvement, in
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> to generate a cancelling signal to that speaker for the
> remaining LF?  Feasable?

Nope. The sound pressure is not supposed to be zero, it is supposed to
be that of the propagating, but not the reflected wave. I have a hard
time imagining hoe a microphone could differentiate between the two.
Possibly a cardioid mic directed towards the reflected wave. Hmm,
that's an idea... But for the moment my greatest hope is a delayed
copy of the signal to the first speaker (as we have it) plus some
filter to mimic the filtering effect of the tube.

Actually we DO absorb higher frequencies with a small amount of
mineral wool near the second speaker, and turn the speaker off above
1kHz (we use sine sweeps).
> Bob
 
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