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forced vibration and system energy and resonace

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ashok - 08 Sep 2004 19:55 GMT
Hello!

I have following vibration related question.

In a system under forced vibration,if the frequency of the excitation
matches with the *natural frequency* of the system , the *resonance*
occures and the systems starts vibrating with continuously increasing
amplitudes.

My question is since
energy = 1/2 K (amplitude)^2.

More amplitude means more energy.

With the same excitation force (and hence with the same input
energy),how do the energy in the system go on increasing.(increase in
amplitude means increase in potential energy of the spring)?

From where the system takes this energy so that the amplitude goes on
increasing ?

regds,
ypj
Ken Plotkin - 09 Sep 2004 03:12 GMT
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>From where the system takes this energy so that the amplitude goes on
>increasing ?

This is just a wild guess, but maybe - just maybe - it comes from the
excitation force.
Brian Ravnaas - 30 Sep 2004 07:58 GMT
Hi ypj,

   i think your question is like this:  "if i put 10 points of energy
in, how in the heck can i get 100 points out?"

   good question.  resonance is a phenomenon caused by stored energy.
imagine a pendulum ball on a string.  if you push it once, it
continues to swing back and forth for a while...

   a child on a playground swing is a resonant phenomenon.  push the
swing once, and it goes so hi.  push it again, and it goes higher...
continue to push in time with the swings motion and you drive the
swing higher and higher and higher...  the reason that it goes higher
and higher is that alot of the kinetic energy you put into the swing
with the first push is still present when you push for the second
time.

   if all the energy came out before you pushed a second time, the
swing would be sitting still again when you pushed that second time,
and the amplitude of oscilation would not increase with additional
pushes.

   resonance is fascinating, and discussion of it usually comes with
disucssion of damping.  damping is the rate at which energy is taken
out of the system.  (imagine you were pushing the same swing, but
instead of through air, it moved through maple syrup, it would slow
down very quickly).

   an so in any case, the oscilations of any real world systemwill
not build indefinitely, but will build until energy in = energy out.
energy in is the driving force, energy out is damping in all of it's
various forms.

   and so it follows that more damping = lower oscilation at a
resonance frequency for any system, all other variables equal.

   i hope my comments are helpful - the answer you seek is this:  the
oscilations can build and build because energy is stored.

    is it possible to post pictures in this forum?  i could show this
visually and make much more sense out of it.

Brian
Ken Plotkin - 01 Oct 2004 03:47 GMT
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> is it possible to post pictures in this forum?
{snip]

It may be technically possible, but doing so would be abuse of
service.  This is a discussion newsgroup.  If you have a picture on
web space, though, you can include a link to it.
Tony - 01 Oct 2004 09:10 GMT
> [snip]
>> is it possible to post pictures in this forum?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> service.  This is a discussion newsgroup.  If you have a picture on
> web space, though, you can include a link to it.

Some people such as myself read posts on a text-only server.  Posts with
attachments will not be carried by this server.   It is much better to put
the pictures somewhere else accessible and give a link.  Most ISPs provide
personal web space which can be used for this purpose.

Tony Woolf
 
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