> In contrast, I am asking about airborne particles of a size verging on the
> macroscopic (up to 10 microns, as stated). These are 'real' particles with
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> to be very different from the "particle velocity" of the gas medium as defined
> in acoustics.
I ran into the same dilemma in my PhD thesis. (JASA 111 May'02 pp
2087-2096). Here, I was contemplating the force that an ion in an
electric field will exert onto the water medium. In my discussion
between Eq(10) and Eq(11), I concluded that the viscous force dominates
at audio and ultrasound frequencies.
Somehow, you need to derive or determine the viscous force vs velocity,
and likely it will be linear (speed = force times a constant). The
common way to get this empirical data is to observe the falling speed
under gravity of a particle falling tough the liquid. Somehow you need
to weigh the particle, or use other strategies to get the friction vs
size and or mass.
Then you can apply a linear differential equation of motion, where it
should be clear that the oscillating amplitude, or velocity, will be
less than the acoustical particle displacement in a manner inversely
proportional to frequency squared or frequency, etc.
> Does anyone know of some actual figures for the velocity of suspended particles
> in a sound wave? Obviously, particle size and density *will* make quite a
> difference.
Maybe the chem or physics abstracts database may contain some useful data.
Angelo Campanella
ross - 23 Sep 2004 18:46 GMT
>Somehow, you need to derive or determine the viscous force vs velocity,
>and likely it will be linear (speed = force times a constant). The
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>less than the acoustical particle displacement in a manner inversely
>proportional to frequency squared or frequency, etc.
That's a help, Angelo. I dug up a site that gives examples of Stokes' law.
From that I calculated that a 4 micron diameter water droplet should fall in
still air at roughly 0.5 mm/sec. I calculate the mass of this spherule to be
335 ng. I assume that the particle motion will be sinusoidal but a bit out of
phase with the sound wave driving it. Are there standard formulae we can use
to finish the calculation? I have the general concepts, but no engineering
maths background, so can anyone help me finish this off? I want to know what
the peak velocity of the droplet's movement will be, for a chosen sound
frequency and intensity. If anyone can show me the method, I will work out
values for other frequencies and intensities myself.
Thanks
ross
Angelo Campanella - 25 Sep 2004 04:36 GMT
> That's a help, Angelo. I dug up a site that gives examples of Stokes' law.
> From that I calculated that a 4 micron diameter water droplet should fall in
> still air at roughly 0.5 mm/sec. I calculate the mass of this spherule to be
> 335 ng. I assume that the particle motion will be sinusoidal but a bit out of
a standard differential equation can be applied.
mx,tt + sx,t = f(t)
where s is the friction of the motion; force per velocity, and
f(t) is the forcing function.
Now one has to coin the particle movement in terms of a moving medium
and a would be stationary particle. I have run out of ideas on this one.
It all requires some serious pondering by we various...
Good luck!
Angelo Campanella
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Bob Cain - 27 Sep 2004 08:47 GMT
> Now one has to coin the particle movement in terms of a moving medium
> and a would be stationary particle. I have run out of ideas on this one.
> It all requires some serious pondering by we various...
In the limit of very constrained motion due to whatever
cause, herein lies the real solution to what is called
Doppler distortion. What is the force acting on the
particle as its ability to move with the air is reduced to zero?
The question of the force on constrained particles in moving
air is intimately tied to the pressure distortion produced
at a fixed point in space as a function of the motion of the
air about it.
If that point is taken to be the fully constrained rest
position of a driving diahragm in a tube, the solution is
the correct solution to the question of "Doppler distortion"
in that configuration because that is the planar pressure
wave that propegates away from it.
I can't figure out how to get there from here either.
Bob

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Angelo Campanella - 25 Sep 2004 04:54 GMT
> maths background, so can anyone help me finish this off? I want to know what
> the peak velocity of the droplet's movement will be, for a chosen sound
> frequency and intensity. If anyone can show me the method, I will work out
> values for other frequencies and intensities myself.
Look up also the "Raleigh Disc". This was a very early sound level
detector. raleigh showed that a tiny lightweight disc, mounted on a
pivot like a stovepipe damper, will want to align itself with its
surface parallel to the airflow. The airflow in this case is the air's
acoustic particle velocity. There is a working equation for that
device... it was before my time, so we never spent much effort working
it.. said equation might help your insight a little.
Ang. C.