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Angelo Campanella - 15 Oct 2004 06:36 GMT
Does anyone know of a method to measure the wind induced noise of
windscreens, (noise arriving at the protected microphone), especially
practical test methods in use for that measurement today?

    Angelo Campanella
Kari Pesonen - 15 Oct 2004 07:30 GMT
> Does anyone know of a method to measure the wind induced noise of
> windscreens, (noise arriving at the protected microphone), especially
> practical test methods in use for that measurement today?
>
> Angelo Campanella

One old method used, for example, by B&K is to fix the microphone to a
rotating boom.  One adjust "orbiting" speed.

Kari Pesonen

PS. Wind induced noise around a human head is louder than that one induced
      by an unprotected or protected microphone. If one is interested in
the masking
      effect of wind induced noise, this fact is worth noticing. Humans
usually do not
      use wind screens around the head.
Ken Plotkin - 15 Oct 2004 14:09 GMT
>One old method used, for example, by B&K is to fix the microphone to a
>rotating boom.  One adjust "orbiting" speed.

B&K did some of their windscreen noise measurements by putting a
microphone/windscreen and an anemometer on a rooftop.  Some were done
by mounting the microphone/windscreen on a car, and some on a light
aircraft.

In projects that I've been involved in, we just set a
microphone/windscreen and an anemometer out and took what nature gave
us.

Ken Plotkin
Malcolm Hayes - 15 Oct 2004 18:31 GMT
> >One old method used, for example, by B&K is to fix the microphone to a
> >rotating boom.  One adjust "orbiting" speed.
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>
> Ken Plotkin

We undertook measurements of wind screens through the selection of a
measurement location free from all noise sources, i.e. the top of a mountain
with no ground cover, no water run off and no audible traffic or aircraft
noise (< 20 dB(A) when no wind at night). We placed two anemometers at the
measurement location, one representing the wind shield and one the wind
speed monitoring location. Undertook measurements over an extended period of
time, then replaced  anemometer with the wind shield. Correlated the wind
speed at the wind shield from the wind speeds measured at the wind speed
measurement location.

Measurements within a wind tunnel, for example, are not subject to normal
outdoor atmospheric turbulence which is a BIG source of low frequency
"noise". Useful to identify any selfnoise due to bird spikes for example.

MalcolmX
Angelo Campanella - 15 Oct 2004 20:59 GMT
Karl Pesonen wrote:
> PS. Wind induced noise around a human head is louder than that one induced
> by an unprotected or protected microphone. If one is interested in
> the masking effect of wind induced noise, this fact is worth noticing.  
> Humans usually do not use wind screens around the head.

    Fuzzy earmuffs work to some degree.

Ang. C.
Ron Capik - 15 Oct 2004 22:11 GMT
> < ....snip.. >
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> usually do not
>        use wind screens around the head.

Hmmm, don't know about that. With motorcycle, bicycle, snow board, skate
board,
ski, etc. helmets (to say nothing about headphones or ear buds) it would seem
that
lots of humans uses wind screens...          ;-)

Later...

Ron Capik
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Brian Marston - 16 Oct 2004 03:15 GMT
check out the following site <www.stormingmedia.us/08/0819/A081904.html>

> Does anyone know of a method to measure the wind induced noise of
> windscreens, (noise arriving at the protected microphone), especially
> practical test methods in use for that measurement today?
>
>     Angelo Campanella
Angelo Campanella - 16 Oct 2004 20:18 GMT
> check out the following site <www.stormingmedia.us/08/0819/A081904.html>

    Thanks for the reference. It is apparently a paper-for-sale, why, I
can't be sure. In any event, it places at the forefront the wind tunnel
mode. Perhaps a huge anechoic environment is not needed even for low
frequency results because the spatial impedance remote from the source
(windscreen and microphone) is not important in determining the acoustic
SPL at the microphone diaphragm....

     Angelo Campanella
Ken Plotkin - 16 Oct 2004 20:51 GMT
>> check out the following site <www.stormingmedia.us/08/0819/A081904.html>
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>      Angelo Campanella

This URL is a little long, but you can download it for free at:

http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/fulcrum_main.pl?database=ft_u2&keyfieldvalue=ADA4
09180&searchterms=%28DOC_TEXT+CONTAINS+%27windscreen%27+%29&SQL=SELECT+RELEVANCE
%28%272%3A4%27%29+AS+SCORE%2C+TABLENAME%28%29+AS+TABLE_NAME+%2C+ADNUMBER%2C+TITL
E%2CPAGES%2CMEDIACODE+FROM+TR_U2+UNION+FT_U2++WHERE+%28DOC_TEXT+CONTAINS+%27wind
screen%27+%29+ORDER+BY+SCORE+DESC%3B&hit=15&max=55&searchid=109795553626423&subm
itbutton=Citation%2FDocument%28s%29


If the URL does not survive usenet, go to www.dtic.mil, click on the
"Find a document" tab, then on "Public STINET", then enter
"windscreen" in the search.  

I'm not sure who "Storming Media" is, other than them having abstracts
on-line, giving the impression of being some kind of US government
service, and offering to sell you copies of the full reports - even
when they are available for free.  I find them to be very annoying in
that they do not give report numbers - obviously to keep people from
doing what I just did.

If you find a citation that seems to be military ("battlefield" in
this abstract is a good clue) do a search at DTIC STINET.  I have a
funny feeling that the ones that they don't have as freebies cost less
to buy from DTIC than from SM.

Ken Plotkin
Herb Singleton - 17 Oct 2004 01:15 GMT
> This URL is a little long, but you can download it for free at:

I generated a shorter URL: <http://tinyurl.com/4kly4>

BTW: that's my wind tunnel!

Well, it's not *my* tunnel, but it's the wind tunnel that Pat Leahy &
Carl Hanson built at MIT. It was removed to make room for the Pappalardo
Labs, and last I heard some company in Metro Boston bought it for
research. I guess this is where it ended up!

 

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richard pickworth - 21 Dec 2004 16:25 GMT
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> Does anyone know of a method to measure the wind induced noise of
> windscreens, (noise arriving at the protected microphone), especially
> practical test methods in use for that measurement today?
>
> Angelo Campanella
 
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