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Robert A. Hedeen - 23 Apr 2005 03:46 GMT
I am starting to get interested in resonator type absorbers for an
application I have in mind where porous bulk absorption is not an
option. I went down to the chemical stock room and got a few glass
Erlenmeyer flasks - a 5000 cc, a 500 cc, etc. Round globes, short
necks, they look like the cartoon Helmholtz resonators you find drawn
in text books.

I placed one on my bench and "ensonified" it by directing white noise
from a small speaker about foot away. I attached a small mike to my
spectrum analyzer and brought it near the opening of the neck while
watching the display on exponential averaging. Nothing! I was sure I
would see a notch in the spectrum around the resonance frequency, but
no.  I certainly saw the peak when I placed the mike in the neck.

So what gives? What am I doing wrong? If this thing is going to absorb
sound it seems that it should at least disturb the sound field near
the neck by an observable amount. How can I see the absorption effect,
measure the absorption cross section, resonance Q, etc? I have the
standard acoustic test equipment available - analyzers, SI probe,
anechoic chamber, homemade impedance tube - but no reverb room. (Any
absorption from one resonator would be too little to show up in a C423
test anyway.)

Sure would appreciate any advice, opinions, or ex-cathedra
pronouncements from this group.

Robert A. Hedeen
GE Global Research
Niskayuna, NY

(remove FOO from my email address)
Angelo Campanella - 23 Apr 2005 07:56 GMT
> option. I went down to the chemical stock room and got a few glass
> Erlenmeyer flasks - a 5000 cc, a 500 cc, etc. Round globes, short
> necks, they look like the cartoon Helmholtz resonators you find drawn
> in text books.

A paper given by a Turkish presenter described renovations of a Mosque
where the walls were refinished, and reverberation became bad. It was
then realized that the small openings in the old walls that were covered
in the refinishing served a good purpose! They were the open mouth of
many jugs buried in the wall out of sight.

> I placed one on my bench and "ensonified" it by directing white noise
> from a small speaker about foot away. I attached a small mike to my
> spectrum analyzer and brought it near the opening of the neck while
> watching the display on exponential averaging. Nothing! I was sure I
> would see a notch in the spectrum around the resonance frequency, but
> no.  I certainly saw the peak when I placed the mike in the neck.

There is no doubt that sound of a certain frequency is captured and
intensified by the flask. But what percentage of that sound field was
captured? The absorption of the bottle is relatively low; it does not
take much energy to be built up in the bottle to give a pronounced
resonance within it.

> So what gives? What am I doing wrong? If this thing is going to absorb
> sound it seems that it should at least disturb the sound field near
> the neck by an observable amount. How can I see the absorption effect,

If only little energy is taken from the space around the bottle, how
much do you expect it to affect the sound level around the bottle
opening. I have seen NO good analysis of this phenomenon.

> measure the absorption cross section, resonance Q, etc? I have the
> standard acoustic test equipment available - analyzers, SI probe,
> anechoic chamber, homemade impedance tube - but no reverb room. (Any
> absorption from one resonator would be too little to show up in a C423
> test anyway.)

Here's what I think should be done:

1- Measure the sound level in the vicinity of the flask opening, at all
frequencies, to such a precision that you feel you "should" see an
effect. Measure the sound level in the flask, also. I'll leave it up to
you to decide whether it should be in the neck, or SPL inside the bottle.

2- Place a small speaker in the bottle (you figure where to get it!).
Drive that speaker to produce the same SPL in the neck or interior.
Measure the sound field at various distances from the bottle, looking
for a square law fit to your data, if possible, but that is not important.

3- Compare the SPL exterior to, and various distances from, the flask as
follows: Calculate the change of external field, where the external
field is the same as that originally impinged on the flask. Figure two
cases for the summed sound; where the sound is additive to the field and
where the sound is subtracting from the field. I suspect that the change
will be extremely small in either case.

4- The next task is to develop an absorption prediction algorithm.

In considering absorbers in general, the perforated panel seems to be
the only useful manifestation of this Helmholtz effect, and such panels
are distributed over a wide area, hardly a flask or two, to get any
useful free field sound absorption.

5- I note finally that the "Conch shell effect" where a 'rush' is heard
as you hold its opening to you ear, is quite similar. One regular to
this group made a measurement of this phenomenon, and I believe that he
said he found 12 or 15 dB increase of SPL level inside the conch shell
as compared to the exterior free field. I further noted then that this
relate in turn to the "end effect" for ducts where it is known that
sound traveling in a duct will be reflected from an open end of the
duct. The reflection is quite large when the duct diameter is much less
than a sound wavelength, and diminishes as the sound wavelength gets
shorter (higher frequency) or the duct diameter becomes quite large.

6- So all someone here has to do is to codify all these random facts,
coupled with some sound theory (a pun!).

    Angelo Campanella
Tony - 23 Apr 2005 09:13 GMT
> I placed one on my bench and "ensonified" it by directing white noise
> from a small speaker about foot away. I attached a small mike to my
> spectrum analyzer and brought it near the opening of the neck while
> watching the display on exponential averaging. Nothing! I was sure I
> would see a notch in the spectrum around the resonance frequency, but
> no.  I certainly saw the peak when I placed the mike in the neck.

The effect of an absorber on spl will depend on what the sound was doing
before the resonator was introduced.  If the resonator is close to the
source of sound so that it is mainly in the direct field, most of the sound
energy would be going away and not coming back anyway, so I would not expect
to see any significant effect on spl.   If you had an intensity probe you
might be able to see that energy is going into the resonator.

The way to test absorption is to see the effect on reverberation.  You could
find something to act as a small reverberation chamber or have a tube that
has a resonance mode at the frequency you're interested in.  If you have
even a small chamber you will probably need quite a few bottles to have a
measurable effect.   You may need some damping such as lighweight fabric
stretched over the necks.

I'm surprised you saw much effect on spl in the neck, simple theory says
there will not be a significant pressure increase in the neck.   I wonder if
your microphone is really responding only to pressure.  If it is a genuine
Helmholtz effect you will certainly see a much larger spl increase in the
body of the flask.

Remember that Helmholtz resonators do not behave as simple theory indicates.
Depending on the shape, the dimensions of the device may not be small enough
to be neglected in comparison with the wavelength of the sound at the
Helmholtz resonance frequency, and there will be lots of higher resonance
modes as well.

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The Ghost - 23 Apr 2005 21:41 GMT
> I am starting to get interested in resonator type absorbers for an
> application I have in mind where porous bulk absorption is not an
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> Sure would appreciate any advice, opinions, or ex-cathedra
> pronouncements from this group.

A grossly over-simplified model of the situation is that of a pressure
divider with the pressure source being the free field pressure.   The
source impedance is the acoustic radiation impedance looking outward at the
plane of the neck opening and the load impedance is the acoustic input
inpedance at the plane of the neck opening looking into the resonator. I
did a quick back of the envelope calculation of the impedances and the
expected pressure division at resonance for a resonator having a 10cm long
neck, a resonant frequency 100 Hz and a Q of 30, and came up with the
result that the pressure at the entrance of the resonator would be
approximately 11dB lower than the free field pressure.  

Since you did not see any effect in your experiment, I decided to repeat
it.  I  fabricated a Helmholtz resonator using a plexiglass tube and a
glass bottle.  I made my measurements using a 4134 mic capsule on a 2639
preamp which was plugged into a 2032 FFT analyzer.  Random noise
bandlimited to 400Hz from the analyzer was applied to a power amplifier and
then to a bookshelf speaker which provided the excitation.  The
measurements were made with the microphone at a distance of 12 inches from
the speaker and with the microphone at 90 degrees relative to the incident
sound.  The analyzer was set for Hanning weighting and 256 linear averages.  
Three measurements were made: 1) resonator absent, 2) resonator present and
at 0 degrees sound incidence, and 3) resonator present and at 90 degrees
sound incidence.  In the latter two cases the microphone capsule was at the
center of the resonator opening and perpendicular to the plane of the
opening.  

The results of my measurements are as follows.  The resonant frequency of
the resonator, as determined by the frequency of sound produced when
blowing across the neck was 144.5Hz.  For zero degree sound incidence,
there was an 5.6dB increase in spectral level at 145 Hz and an 8.6dB
decrease in spectral level at 149.5Hz.  For 90 degree sound incidence,
there was 6.4dB increase in spectral level at 144.5Hz and a 9,7dB decrease
in spectral level at 149Hz.  The increases and decreases were measured
relative to the spectral level that was measured in absence of the
resonator.  Spectral levels at frequencies above and below the range from
140-150Hz did not change by more than 1dB when the resonator was inserted
into the sound field.

Aside from the discrepancy between your experimental results and mine,
there is the issue that an undamped Helmholtz resonator will not absorb any
energy.  So, unless you have a theoretical interest in Helmholtz
resonators, you may be starting at the wrong place.  If you put a Helmholtz
resonator on an impedance tube, you will find that the maximum absorption
(minimum reflection) will occur when the resonator is damped and that real
part of the input impedance of the resonator is equal to the characteristic
impedance of the tube.  Consequently, if your interest is in sound
absorption, investingating the behavior of an undamped Helmholtz resonator
is not, in my opinion, the proper starting point.  

 

     

 
Robert A. Hedeen - 24 Apr 2005 01:22 GMT
Thank you, Ghostie, your results are more along the lines of what I
expected to see. Granted, my experiment was extremely ad hoc and
performed late on a Friday afternoon when I was feeling unwell anyway.
I think I hadn't considered how sharp the Q was likely to have been,
so I set the analyzer to a pretty wide bandwidth so I'd see the notch
showing up "live" on the display. Doubtless my FFT bandwidth was wider
than the resonance peak.  I'll continue with more experimental rigor
on Monday. The other respondant's suggestion of using a sound
intensity probe is also a good one.

My interest in resonators is as practical as can be, and I am much
more interested in the damped behavior of these puppies. That will
follow. I just wanted a simple and understandable demo so that I can
sell this idea to the suits. Thanx again.

By the way, Ghost, is it true what they say? Are you, in fact, Gary
Sokolitch? If so, answer privately by removing FOO from my email
address.

Robert A. Hedeen
GE Global Research
Niskayuna, NY

>> I am starting to get interested in resonator type absorbers for an
>> application I have in mind where porous bulk absorption is not an
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>
>  
The Ghost - 24 Apr 2005 01:36 GMT
> Thank you, Ghostie, your results are more along the lines of what I
> expected to see. Granted, my experiment was extremely ad hoc and
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> showing up "live" on the display. Doubtless my FFT bandwidth was wider
> than the resonance peak.  

That was my suspicion, but I could know for sure because you didn't give
the details.

> I'll continue with more experimental rigor
> on Monday.

I look forward to an update.

The other respondant's suggestion of using a sound
> intensity probe is also a good one.

On an array of resonators, yes.  However not on a single resonator and
certainly not on an undamped resonator.


> My interest in resonators is as practical as can be, and I am much
> more interested in the damped behavior of these puppies. That will
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Sokolitch? If so, answer privately by removing FOO from my email
> address.

You and Rich visited me some years ago, and we had a very nice Chinese
buffet dinner which Rich paid for.  I trust that answers your quesiton.
Robert A. Hedeen - 29 Apr 2005 02:06 GMT
I finally got a few hours this afternoon to repeat some of the
resonator experiments more carefully. I mounted the resonator about 10
cm from the small loudspeaker, and stood a 1/4" mike near the opening.
FFT had a baseband of 200 Hz centered on 150 Hz, with a bandwidth of
0.5 Hz; 300 linear averages max overlap. My grapefruit sized (500 cc)
resonator had an Fo of 164 Hz, plain to see. As you had observed, the
SPL first rises about 10 dB, then dips about 10 dB on either side of
this frequency. I measured an FRF between the random excitation signal
and the mike and looked at the complex response. Imag is right on the
Fo; phase drops about 90° to Fo then rises back up again. Half power
bandwidth is about 5 Hz making Q = 32.8
Thanx for the help, all.

Bob Hedeen

>> I am starting to get interested in resonator type absorbers for an
>> application I have in mind where porous bulk absorption is not an
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>absorption, investingating the behavior of an undamped Helmholtz resonator
>is not, in my opinion, the proper starting point.  
Brian Marston - 24 Apr 2005 01:53 GMT
Robert,

Helmholtz resonators have a long history of use where narrow band absorption is
required. Due to a number of unknowns in the design some final tuning is required.

I used to live in the steel city of Newcastle (Australia) where the coke oven
exhaust stack (~5 metre diameter) was fitted with an array of helmholtz
absorbers at the base of the stack in a hot, corrosive, dust-laden gas flow.

Every 6 months or so, the whole city knew when cleaning was required on the
absorbers, as dust build-up in the helmholtz absorbers caused them to drift off
the exhaust fan blade pass frequency.

The maintenance people would have to bring the coke plant off line, wait for the
stack to cool and unscrew the backs off all of the resonators to scrape out the
dust. The dust, until compacted, acted to broaden the absorption peak, but once
it compacted the whole system would mis-tune.

What application are you looking at ?

Brian

PS On a much larger scale, the river mouth to the ocean had breakwaters and
partially enclosed beaches, that apparently acted as quarter wave branches to
attenuated incoming ocean waves that would have impacted on the port facilities
just inside the river mouth.

> I am starting to get interested in resonator type absorbers for an
> application I have in mind where porous bulk absorption is not an
> option.
< SNIP >
> Sure would appreciate any advice, opinions, or ex-cathedra
> pronouncements from this group.
>
> Robert A. Hedeen
> GE Global Research
> Niskayuna, NY
The Ghost - 25 Apr 2005 17:03 GMT
snip......snip


Here are a couple of white papaers by Trevor Cox who appears to be an
authority on the matter.  

http://www.rpginc.com/whitepapers/Clearsorber-White-Paper.pdf

http://www.acoustics.salford.ac.uk/student_area/bsc3/room_acoustics/absorpt
ion.pdf

I understand that there is detailed info in the book Acoustic "Absorbers
and Diffusers:Theory,Design and Application" by Trevor Cox and Peter
D'Antonio, but I can't say for sure because I don't have the book.
 
Robert A. Hedeen - 25 Apr 2005 23:35 GMT
Thanx, I'll check out these papers. I have the Cox & d'Antonio book:
really good for diffusers and bulk absorbers, maybe less so for
resonators.

Contact me privately via rhedeen@nycap.rr.comFOO (remove the FOO
first) - I have some questions for you.

Bob Hedeen

>snip......snip
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>D'Antonio, but I can't say for sure because I don't have the book.
>  
The Ghost - 26 Apr 2005 01:36 GMT
> Thanx, I'll check out these papers. I have the Cox & d'Antonio book:
> really good for diffusers and bulk absorbers, maybe less so for
> resonators.

Chris Whealy has put together spreadsheets for calculating the performance
of various types of absorbers.  

http://www.whealy.com/acoustics/index.html

Perhaps you should contact him to find out the reference for the equations
and/or emperical results that he used for calculating the performance of
resonant Helmholtz absorbers.
Chris Whealy - 26 Apr 2005 09:56 GMT
> Chris Whealy has put together spreadsheets for calculating the performance of various types of absorbers.
>
> http://www.whealy.com/acoustics/index.html
>
> Perhaps you should contact him to find out the reference for the equations and/or emperical results that he used for calculating the performance of resonant Helmholtz absorbers.

Gary, the equations used in my spreadsheet for calculating porous
absorber performance have been derived almost entirely from Cox and
D'Antonio's book that Robert has (also with some reference to Kinsler &
Frey).  Might I also recommend that you add this book to your
collection.  It is very well written and provides a good groundwork for
a major area of current research in acoustics - the prediction of diffusion.

The various sheets within my Porous Absorber spreadsheet either
re-implement the MatLab scripts found in Appendix B, or directly
implement the equations from the body text of the book (mainly chapters
5 and 6).

If you open the spreadsheet, and scroll any of the calculation sheets to
right, you will see a large number of cells containing the calculations.
 Against each row (where relevant), I have stated which equation from
C&D's book is being implemented.  This was to help those people studying
the book to follow the logic built into the spreadsheet.

I have just implemented the equations for calculating the absorption of
a microperforated panel.  When I compare the output from the MatLab
script with the output from my spreadsheet, I get very similar results.
 There is still one small difference that I am not happy with, and I'll
post the new version when I have been able to reconcile the difference.

Regards

Chris W

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