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Soundproofing an indoor return air plenum

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Hi Ho Silver - 05 Jun 2005 19:10 GMT
The rush of return air flow through my a/c blower is very
noisy. This is not 'mechanical' noise, but the 'wind rush' noise.
The return opening is at floor level and the air makes an
upward turn to enter the fan suction which is about 27 inches
above the floor inside the return plenum.

I am sure the noise is from the fan blower, because it is even louder
without the filter and filter grille in place.  The noise level is such that
when the a/c comes on, I have to turn up my tv sound considerably to
overcome
it.

The plenum return box, as viewed from the filter side measures:
50 inches wide
37 inches deep
27 inches high

The floor inside is bare concrete; the sides are plywood board.

I am thinking that one of the Egg Crate Acoustical Foam products
could be installed inside the plenum box area (floor, sides, back) to
attenuate this sound.
What do you think? (i.e., would there be a noticeable noise reduction with
such foam in place?)

It doesn't need to be 'pretty' as it won't be seen inside the box.

Thanks

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Noral Stewart - 06 Jun 2005 01:54 GMT
Fiberglass duct liner preferably 2 inches thick to line the plenum.  Could
get extra benefit from baffles also within the plenum if the geometry allows
such without too much constraint on air flow.

> The rush of return air flow through my a/c blower is very
> noisy. This is not 'mechanical' noise, but the 'wind rush' noise.
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> Thanks
Hi Ho Silver - 06 Jun 2005 03:14 GMT
Thanks.  Where can I buy fiberglass duct liner (i.e., is it an item possibly
available at a Home Depot?).  Thanks.
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> Fiberglass duct liner preferably 2 inches thick to line the plenum.  Could
> get extra benefit from baffles also within the plenum if the geometry
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>> Thanks
Noral Stewart - 06 Jun 2005 11:56 GMT
Look in the yellow pages for a distributor of insulation products.  all the
fiberglass suppliers make it, owens-corning, knauf, certainteed, manville,
etc.

You definitely do not want to use polyurethane acoustical foam due to fire
safety concerns.  Melamine based foam could be used but is more expensive.

> Thanks.  Where can I buy fiberglass duct liner (i.e., is it an item
> possibly available at a Home Depot?).  Thanks.
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>>> Thanks
Hi Ho Silver - 17 Jun 2005 02:11 GMT
I am just  now getting back to this project.  Regarding fire safety with
polyurethane foam -- do you suppose there is a fire retardant spray that
could be applied to the foam to bring it up to code?  You are right,
melamine would be pushing my budget.
Thanks.
John Hanley
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> Look in the yellow pages for a distributor of insulation products.  all
> the fiberglass suppliers make it, owens-corning, knauf, certainteed,
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>>>> Thanks
Angelo Campanella - 17 Jun 2005 21:17 GMT
>>>>>The rush of return air flow through my a/c blower is very
>>>>>noisy. This is not 'mechanical' noise, but the 'wind rush' noise.
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>>>>>attenuate this sound. What do you think? (i.e., would there be a noticeable noise reduction
>>>>>with such foam in place?) It doesn't need to be 'pretty' as it won't be seen inside the box.

Been there. Done that.

I stuffed as much fiberglass batt as I could fit into my plenum without
compressing it, leaving just enough clear air space to allow airflow
without much static loss. My living room became much quieter
immeddaitely. At the bottom of the vertical duct drop by the floor, I
loaded some old acoustical tiles tilted in that elbow to also not impede
air flow. Under tha furnace fan itself, likewise, I laid foil backed
R-11 fiberglass batt, foil side up to prevent sucking random bits of
fiberglass into the fan. These bottom tratments attenuate the sound
right near the source.

These treatments reduced my hpusehold furnace fan noise considerably.
The plenum batts act as a lint trap, so I now lay an extra filter
element on top of the return grille to capture the bulk of house lint. I
clean lint from that front filter about twice a year by laying it on the
inlet of our tank vacuum cleaner, wiping it gently over the entire
filter face, both sides. Such a filter lasts about 5 years becoming
frayed by the repeating wiping actions. Been doing that for about 30
years. Have to replace the plenum batts about once a decade.

Angelo Campanella
Noral Stewart - 18 Jun 2005 13:07 GMT
I am not aware of any way to make the polyurethane foam safe enough for me.
It is not just the fire but the fumes that would be spread by the
ventilation system.

Owens-Corning has been marketing heavily to homeowners.  They sell
essentially the same material as the duct liner as a wall panel.  You also
could cut up some fiberglass ceiling panels from Armstrong, USG, or Capaul.
If the geometry permits it, you also may be able to use widely available
fiberglass batts as Ang suggested.

>I am just  now getting back to this project.  Regarding fire safety with
>polyurethane foam -- do you suppose there is a fire retardant spray that
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>>>>> Thanks
BJ Nash - 21 Jun 2005 20:09 GMT
Vinyl-nitrile closed cell foam has been used by HVAC as duct dampening
for years.  Get it at
http://www.soundproofing.org/sales/prices.html  Open cell foam will
absorb moisture and odor.

Metal oil-canning and panel reverberation can be helped by a liquid
sound dampening material called Noxudol: get it at:
http://www.soundproofing.org/sales/liquid.htm

Many times fan blower noise is caused by a buildup of dirt on the
vanes themselves- cleaning can make a vast improvement.

BJ Nash

>The rush of return air flow through my a/c blower is very
>noisy. This is not 'mechanical' noise, but the 'wind rush' noise.
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>Thanks

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