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Why do conical resonators support even harmonics?

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salmonegg@sbcglobal.net - 17 Aug 2005 06:00 GMT
Aside from the clarinet and oboe having single and double reed respectively,
the main difference in construction is that the clarinet has a uniform bore
while the oboe has a conical bore. Supposedly, the clarinet will not
generate strong even harmonics. The clarinet forms an closed boundary
condition at the mouthpiece and an open boundary condition at the open end.
On the other hand, the oboe with similar boundary conditions, along with the
saxophone and other conical bore instruments, will readily support even
harmonics.

Is there a simple way, short of solving partial differential equations, to
understand why this is so? Is there some way to determine how easy it is to
excite such harmonics? Would that involve acoustic impedance seen at the
mouthpiece? How does the cone angle affect excitation of the various
harmonics?

Bill
Edgar A Pearlstein - 17 Aug 2005 14:33 GMT
   I don't know of any way to show this other than by solving the
partial diffential equation, which I can do. For many years I taught a
course in the physics of music, and yearned to find a "hand-waving" way to
show the resonances on a conical pipe, but never found one.

   Consider the acoustic pressure in an open-open pipe narrower at one
end than the other. The pressure will be higher near the narrow end. (Of
course it is close to zero right at an open end.) And the resonances
will be as for an open-open pipe.  Now imagine squeezing the
narrow end down to where it is actually closed; then the pressure will be
quite high at the point.  But this is not the same as having a closed-open
pipe, and the resonances will still be as for an open-open pipe.

  I don't regard the above as a good argument, though.  For if one
started with a closed-open pipe and narrowed one end, one would come to a
different conclusion about the resonances!

: Aside from the clarinet and oboe having single and double reed respectively,
: the main difference in construction is that the clarinet has a uniform bore
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
: saxophone and other conical bore instruments, will readily support even
: harmonics.

: Is there a simple way, short of solving partial differential equations, to
: understand why this is so? Is there some way to determine how easy it is to
: excite such harmonics? Would that involve acoustic impedance seen at the
: mouthpiece? How does the cone angle affect excitation of the various
: harmonics?
Apollo - 02 Sep 2005 06:20 GMT
Try here:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/pipes.html
salmonegg@sbcglobal.net - 16 Sep 2005 19:13 GMT
On 9/1/05 10:20 PM, in article
1125638445.056791.201940@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "Apollo"
<ddavis@pb.com.au> wrote:

> Try here:
>
> http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~jw/pipes.html

When I looked at this site, comparisons were made among flute, clarinet, and
oboe of lengths that gave the same fundamental frequency. The flute and oboe
were of the same length while the clarinet was half the length. I understand
why the clarinet is half as long as the flute. But, that changes my
question. Why does the oboe not support a closed-open resonance of a quarter
wavelength the way a clarinet does? As the taper of the bore changes, when
does that transition take place? Is it indeed true that an oboe and clarinet
of the same length will not have the same fundamental frequency?

Bill
 
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