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Air Coupled Transducers

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s.macintosh - 30 Aug 2005 17:59 GMT
Can anyone reccomend a manufacturer/supplier of Air Coupled
Transducers? I am looking for an air coupled transducer that operates
in the range of 50kHz - 1 MHz.

Thanks
The Ghost - 30 Aug 2005 19:19 GMT
> Can anyone reccomend a manufacturer/supplier of Air Coupled
> Transducers? I am looking for an air coupled transducer that operates
> in the range of 50kHz - 1 MHz.
>
> Thanks

http://www.airmartechnology.com/airmar2005/ex20/UAProducts/selection.asp?Ty
pe=All&Lan=Eng
Ron Hubbard - 02 Sep 2005 10:16 GMT
> Can anyone reccomend a manufacturer/supplier of Air Coupled
> Transducers? I am looking for an air coupled transducer that operates
> in the range of 50kHz - 1 MHz.
>
> Thanks

I can't think of any off hand, but, uh, you  do know that as the frequency goes up
towards the megahertz range, sound doesn't travel very far in air? By around 8
MHz, sound only travels a few inches at most.

And most commercial acoustical transducers are good
for about 45 to 50 kHz; you're not likely to find one for
100 kHz on up unless you plan on making it yourself or
will settle maybe for an ultrasonic whistle.

Ron
The Ghost - 02 Sep 2005 20:53 GMT
>> Thanks
>
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>
> Ron

ignorance is bliss

http://www.ultrangroup.com/pdfs/newTransCat.pdf
s.macintosh - 04 Sep 2005 02:24 GMT
Thanks for the info.
The Ghost - 05 Sep 2005 04:50 GMT
> Thanks for the info.

I "may" be able to provide you with more relevant information but I would
need to know the details of your specific application.
s.macintosh - 05 Sep 2005 12:55 GMT
I am planning to set a test for non-contact surdface evalution of
pavement. Transducers will be held 1 to 2 inches off of the surface.
These test will be to determine the feasability of the application. I
am also thinking of perhpas using a laser vibrometer to measure the
response instead of a second transducer. Any thoughts or suggestions
would be appreciated.

Thanks
Scott
Ron Hubbard - 07 Sep 2005 15:29 GMT
> I am planning to set a test for non-contact surdface evalution of
> pavement. Transducers will be held 1 to 2 inches off of the surface.
> These test will be to determine the feasability of the application. I
> am also thinking of perhpas using a laser vibrometer to measure the
> response instead of a second transducer. Any thoughts or suggestions
> would be appreciated.

I think what you are trying to do is something like
non-destructive testing. Given your options as far as
acoustical transducers are concerned, I'd say try to do
something creative with what's commercially available.

If the highest frequency is 40 or 45 kHz, get one of those
transducers and use that in both transmit/receive mode,
assuming your equipment allows it. BTW, do you have
equipment or circuitry for  what's essentially a type
of sonar unit?

Ron
The Ghost - 07 Sep 2005 20:01 GMT
> I am planning to set a test for non-contact surdface evalution of
> pavement. Transducers will be held 1 to 2 inches off of the surface.
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> Thanks
> Scott

Subject: Re: Air Coupled Transducers
From: The Ghost <theghost@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.acoustics

snip....snip

I "may" be able to provide you with more relevant information but I would
need to know the details of your specific application.

Detail: Meaning #3: extended treatment of particulars.
Ron Hubbard - 05 Sep 2005 09:16 GMT
> Thanks for the info.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. But there isn't much of a
market it seems for acoustic transducers higher than
say 20 kHz.

There are some transducers you can find around that are
made for specific frequencies such as 22 kHz, 25 kHz,
and 40 kHz that are used primarily in ultrasonic alarm systems where one
transducer sends out an ultrasonic wave while another transducer receives it and
uses it to determine
if anybody is in a room.

Most transducers are used in water for sonar, ultrasonic cleaning, non-destructive
testing, and other experimental
purposes. Underwater transducers can operate well up
into the MHz range and beyond. But to get anything higher than 50 kHz in air your
choices are severely limited to
ultrasonic whistles and sirens-- but requiring compressed
air to get them to work.

There are a lot of patents in the US Patent Office that
show how to make a transducer; if you don't have
need for a lot of acoustic power, you could probably
make your own transducer if you go to the trouble of purchasing piezo-ceramic
disks or bimorphs, electrically conductive glue, and assorted metal items. While
this is a true pain in the a.s, it may be the only way to get what you want if you
really need it badly enough. Although maybe one of the piezo companies might make
a custom transducer if you are willing to pay an arm and a leg for it.  ;-)

Best wishes,
Ron
The Ghost - 07 Sep 2005 01:25 GMT
>> Thanks for the info.
>
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> Best wishes,
> Ron

I am sorry that you have so many physical and mental problems, but you
really do need to get off the drugs.

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