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Branazzo - 04 May 2006 00:38 GMT
i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
(any research,theory or experiments would do)

 have a nice day :-)
Chris Whealy - 04 May 2006 09:06 GMT
> i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
> online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
> (any research,theory or experiments would do)
>
>   have a nice day :-)

Do a Google search for: chladni patterns guitar

Or try the Journal of Guitar Acoustics www.ukuleles.com/Technology/JGA.html

Chris W

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Ethan Winer - 04 May 2006 16:18 GMT
Branazzo,

> i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
> online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
> (any research,theory or experiments would do)

I think this is exactly what you're looking for:

www.kettering.edu/~drussell/guitars/hummingbird.html

--Ethan
Mike Danielson - 06 May 2006 21:43 GMT
I will toot my own horn here.  I have made a big study of this as applied to
classical guitars, and I have some ideas.  The bad side is that no one is
very interested in acoustic science applied to instruments.

http://mikedanielson.com/

Mike Danielson

>i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
> online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
> (any research,theory or experiments would do)
>
>  have a nice day :-)
Neky Lyk - 07 May 2006 10:17 GMT
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> The bad side is that no one is
> very interested in acoustic science applied to instruments.

<cut>

it's because there's 2 much work 4 the money you can earn by doing it.
people always look for the lowest work2money ratio(WMR :) )
Ethan Winer - 07 May 2006 16:13 GMT
Mike,

> no one is very interested in acoustic science applied to instruments. <

I am VERY interested in this! :->)

I went to your site and enjoyed what I saw. Are you familiar with the work
of Carleen Hutchins? Carleen is one of my heroes, and she's known for her
pioneering work taking apart Stradivarius violins and analyzing the front
and back plates on a shaker table. My cello was analyzed that way and
optimized (regraduated) by one of her students under her supervision.

--Ethan
Mike Danielson - 07 May 2006 21:25 GMT
Ethan, I have done 100s of experiments with classical guitars, often
exploring very simple things using common sense rather than very
sophisticated equipment ( I do have a PhD in materials science).  For
instance, does the air pressure leakage between dipoles (out of phase) on
the top have an important effect on volume (answer--not very much in spite
of what the literature says).

I have been a member of the Catgut Acoustical society for many years (over
30) and am aware of the acoustical literature for classical guitars,
violins, and cellos.  I have carried out similar studies on the violin (as I
did on classical guitars) and now build violins/cellos in such a way that I
play them first and then remove the top one or more times to make the final
acoustical adjustments.  I use a glue stick to put the top on very
temporary.  I created a cradle for the violin the allows electromagnetic
stimulation of the bridge rather than Dunnewald's method or Schleske's
method.

The problem with this is that though it satisfies me in a scientfic manner,
instrument evaluation is very subjective--building superior instruments in
an acoustic sense, does not necessarily result in sales.  Until you are
discovered, you are a non-entity in this business and your instruments
languish.  Let me more blunt--everyone builds guitars and violins--all you
have to do is read a book.

Thanks for you kind comments, Ethan

Mike Danielson

> Mike,
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> --Ethan
Ethan Winer - 08 May 2006 14:55 GMT
Mike,

> using common sense rather than very sophisticated equipment <

That's important too!

> instrument evaluation is very subjective <

Agreed, though anyone who is reasonably sophisticated can tell if an
instrument has "dead zones" that mute only certain notes, or a bad wolf
tone, and other common problems. But it's much more difficult when it comes
to matters of taste. As a rock/blues guitar playing cellist :->) when I hear
a really good cello it sounds sort of like a wah-wah pedal at different
static settings for each note. The many different high-Q resonances give a
nice character to every note, emphasizing various harmonics as different
notes are played.

--Ethan
Angelo Campanella - 09 May 2006 02:52 GMT
> I will toot my own horn here.  I have made a big study of this as applied to
> classical guitars, and I have some ideas.  The bad side is that no one is
> very interested in acoustic science applied to instruments.

That should not stop you from improving guitars of any sort.
The best part of classical guitars, in my opinion is their "playabiliy".
That is, they can be used to render a wide variety of composed (and
uncomposed or "soul") music.

Angelo Campanella
Mike Danielson - 06 May 2006 21:46 GMT
http://mikedanielson.com/

>i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
> online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
> (any research,theory or experiments would do)
>
>  have a nice day :-)
ri - 10 May 2006 04:26 GMT
> http://mikedanielson.com/
>
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>>
>>  have a nice day :-)

Hey Mike... maybe I can do some marketing for you... we can start with the
Italian market and Malaysian. I've got some Ideas on guitars too, maybe we
can share info.
Mike Danielson - 06 May 2006 22:12 GMT
www.mikedanielson.com

>i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
> online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
> (any research,theory or experiments would do)
>
>  have a nice day :-)
Mike Danielson - 06 May 2006 22:15 GMT
>i would be grateful if someone would point out some good
> online resources for guitar acoustic properties.
> (any research,theory or experiments would do)
>
>  have a nice day :-)
 
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