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Kevin T - 14 Aug 2006 22:04 GMT
I realized that earbuds may be bad but look at what's comming next in
the popular consumer playback delivery accessories.. the latest
alternative is a Bluetooth stereo A2DP headphone set:) Now we have
a lossy coder sending WMA MP3 etc over Bluetooth lossy compression RF
link Not to mention distortion caused by WOW or other EQ/spacial
expanders I've done some listening & the jury is still out. Thing got
WAY more complicated  cause you now have an RF link, another compander
loss and a consumer quality transducer to deal with :)

Kevin T
Tadeusz Krzeminski - 14 Aug 2006 22:29 GMT
On 14-08-06 23:04, in article
1155589445.024618.289260@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "Kevin T"
<kgtracy@gmail.com> wrote:

> I realized that earbuds may be bad but look at what's comming next in
> the popular consumer playback delivery accessories.. the latest
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> WAY more complicated  cause you now have an RF link, another compander
> loss and a consumer quality transducer to deal with :)

But - for God's sake - what is your point?

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Kevin T - 15 Aug 2006 15:37 GMT
> On 14-08-06 23:04, in article
> 1155589445.024618.289260@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "Kevin T"
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Tadeusz Krzemiñski

My point is I want to

Know when a products in ear quality is competitive?
Know how to isolate all the possible sources of unwanted distortion the
consumer may be experiencing to troubleshoot /explain / solve
complaints?.
and mostly
Bitch about my life:) IE why some peoples expectations of  these
freakin little players is both SO High yet Undefined :(

"I don't know how to define Pornography, but I know it when I see it"
:)

Thanks
Kevin T
Tadeusz Krzeminski - 15 Aug 2006 16:49 GMT
On 15-08-06 16:37, in article
1155652677.924422.109560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Kevin T"
<kgtracy@gmail.com> wrote:

> My point is I want to
>
> Know when a products in ear quality is competitive?
> Know how to isolate all the possible sources of unwanted distortion the
> consumer may be experiencing to troubleshoot /explain / solve
> complaints?.

Thinking reasonable I would forget about distortions and noises coming
directly from the iPod, because they virtually don't exist: you've got
battery power (clean current), no mechanical parts inside (no rattles, hums,
sound vibrations). In terms of the audio quality of whole audio chain inside
can be compared to medium-class portable CD player. Of course there's
question regarding quality of D/A converters inside but I don't think it's
very significant factor.

Most of the distortions are coming from crappy earphones in that case,
because it's simply the weakest part. Unfortunately no one invented better
electrical-mechanical-acoustic converter so far...

And of course we're talking about excellent audio material, either
compressed or - even better - lossless.

> and mostly
> Bitch about my life:) IE why some peoples expectations of  these
> freakin little players is both SO High yet Undefined :(

Because we passed some limits in that case and most of us feel that. BTW I
hope you've read the conclusions John Atkinson wrote in article from
Stereophile which Angelo, have you?

" The iPod's measured behavior is better than many CD players--ironic,
considering that most of the time it will be used to play MP3 and AAC files,
which will not immediately benefit from such good performance. But if you're
willing to trade off maximum playing time against the ability to play
uncompressed AIFF or WAV files, the iPod will do an excellent job of
decoding them. Excellent, cost-effective audio engineering from an
unexpected source."

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GregS - 15 Aug 2006 18:48 GMT
>On 15-08-06 16:37, in article
>1155652677.924422.109560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com, "Kevin T"
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>decoding them. Excellent, cost-effective audio engineering from an
>unexpected source."

I would be more interested in the sound level output. Can it drive all kinds
of headphones. Even my brand new Audio Technica ATH-AD700 s?

and how easy is it to interface into stereo sound systems, portable juke box, no less.

greg
Tadeusz Krzeminski - 15 Aug 2006 20:20 GMT
On 15-08-06 19:48, in article ebt1e7$rik$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu,

> I would be more interested in the sound level output. Can it drive all kinds
> of headphones. Even my brand new Audio Technica ATH-AD700 s?

Look here:

http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/934/index5.html

"With a full-scale signal, the output clipped at the two highest levels of
the volume control. The maximum distortion-free output level into 100k ohms
was 911mV at 1kHz--more than enough to drive typical headphones to unbearably
loud levels. The iPod didn't invert absolute polarity, and the source
impedance was a suitably low 5.5 ohms over most of the audioband, rising
slightly to 15 ohms at 20Hz. (All figures include the series resistance of a
5' interconnect.) The iPod should be able to drive all but the low-impedance
Grados and the AKG K1000 with impunity. (I got great sound with it driving
Sony MDR-7506 closed-back headphones.)"

Any more questions? ;-)

> and how easy is it to interface into stereo sound systems, portable juke box,
> no less.

Would be even better ;-)

Either you choose iPod photo AV Cable or standard minijack-to-RCA cable.
Results are the same.

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