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possible method of breeding a superior intelligent human

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a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 30 Jul 2006 10:59 GMT
I was looking for information on mules and found a passage in
wikipedia:
--- quoting Wikipedia on mule ---
The sterility is attributed to the different number of chromosomes the
two species have: donkeys have 62 chromosomes, while horses have 64.
Their offspring thus have 63 chromosomes which cannot evenly divide.

(snip)

Mules are considered more intelligent than both horses and donkeys.
--- end quoting ---

I think this is called hybrid vigor in that mules are more intelligent
than horses or donkeys.

And reading that passage I was wondering if hybrid vigor could not be
injected into the human species.

I do not mean some other animal bred with humans.

Human chromosomes number 46, but in some mutation (Klinefelter
syndrome) a person may have 48 chromosomes.

So I was wondering if human intelligence can be increased. By the union
of one with 48 chromosomes and 46 yielding an offspring with 47.
Whether like the mules, whether normal humans bred with 48 carriers
yield gifted children. Any stories on this??

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
deepu - 31 Jul 2006 04:24 GMT
injected into the human species.

> I do not mean some other animal bred with humans.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
hii,
how it can be possible coz in klinefelter syndrome person is totally
infertile,offcourse it can be made possible by some advanced
technology..........
deepu - 31 Jul 2006 04:24 GMT
injected into the human species.

> I do not mean some other animal bred with humans.
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
hii,
how it can tbe possible coz in klinefelter syndrome person is totally
infertile,offcourse it can be made possible by some advanced
technology..........
a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2006 09:53 GMT
> hii,
> how it can tbe possible coz in klinefelter syndrome person is totally
> infertile,offcourse it can be made possible by some advanced
> technology..........

First off, I want to say that I do not believe or accept a statement as
in wikipedia that says a mule is more intelligent than either a horse
or donkey. And gives the reason as hybrid vigor. I believe in hybrid
vigor. But one has to define intelligence to some specific in order to
claim a mule is more intelligent than horse or donkey. If intelligence
is defined as using tools and a mule can use a tool to get out of a
fenced region whereas the donkey and horse never get out, well, that is
intelligence.

But anyway, I would like to see an application of Hybrid Vigor to
humanity. We get a person with Klinefelter of 48 chromosomes. Not just
any Klinefelter but one with ability to read and understand science. We
use some cloning technique or stem-cell technique to make the sperm
cell or egg cell viable. We then get a normal human chromosome of 46 of
a sperm cell or egg cell; and here again not just any human but a
scientist/s. We want people of science so that we can easily monitor
Hybrid Vigor of the offspring as per intelligence. Knowing that our
base was science abilities or predeliction for science. So that the
offspring intelligence can be monitored to see if they say excell in
science far above either parent.

We artificial inseminate the sperm with egg (trying all possible
combinations). We of course want the fertilization to be 47 chromosomes
for the offspring and thus apply some various biotech techniques.

We end up with a person (some would say not human, but I would say
human) and we monitor the growth of this person to see if they wind up
excelling in science above that of either parent.

It may surprize all of us. Perhaps the "new kid" is a science wizard or
even a science genius. And if that is true, then I see some parents
wanting art wizards or music wizards or sports wizards.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
a_plutonium@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2006 19:04 GMT
> > hii,
> > how it can tbe possible coz in klinefelter syndrome person is totally
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> even a science genius. And if that is true, then I see some parents
> wanting art wizards or music wizards or sports wizards.

First off I need to say something about legal-laws concerning human
cloning. I do not know the extent of the tapestry of lousy legal laws
banning human cloning. I call them lousy because, like stem-cell
research, we have lawmakers who are ignorant folk suppressing,
repressing and oppressing the rest of the world of what will make this
planet better place with respect to human overpopulation. Human Cloning
will probably rescue this world of its human overpopulation. To me, it
is either we solve human overpopulation soon and fast or we are going
extinct if we never solve human overpopulation, as well as extincting
all large animals.

The world is cluttered with legal-laws banning human cloning, because
at present, stupid minds of religion created those legal-laws as well
as the ban on stem cell research here in the USA. And the world needs
to lift those bans.

Suppose the USA had banned all experiments involving nuclear energy so
that Fermi could not have done his Chicago nuclear pile. Then the world
would be much different and I would probably be speaking Russian today
instead of English. Some may say that human-cloning has no similarity
of importance to nuclear energy of Fermi in the 1940s. I would counter
argue that human cloning is the technology of biology that nuclear
energy of the 1940s was to physics. It is that important and that we
should reverse these stupid and silly legal-laws banning both human
cloning and stem cell research. What made the USA a superpower is its
ability to create new technology and improve the world.

I believe there is a "shortcut" to testing of "hybrid vigor". Where we
insert the 47th chromosome into a fertilized egg.

And I suspect, not sure, that Hybrid Vigor is an important future
technique that may become commonplace. The reason I say this is because
I suspect that Human Cloning when commonplace in the future will find
out what I call the Xerox Photocopy Effect. What I mean by this
photocopy effect is that every photocopy is a very tiny bit smaller
than the original due to the laws of physics, the bending of light. And
in cloning I suspect that there is some tiny loss guaranteed to happen
99% of the time. So that if we clone a human the offspring will be less
vigourous than the parent in 99% of the cases. I believe there is the
genetic DNA of Galileo (his finger) and of Newton (his hair) kept in
storage. So that if we were to human clone Galileo and Newton back to
life in the 22nd century, my guess is that they will be what I call
dudes of Galileo and Newton. That they will be less of what Galileo or
Newton were. Less vigorous.

Now, step into the picture, that of hybrid vigor technique. If the DNA
of Galileo and Newton were used to clone humans and if we implanted a
47th chromosome, then, my speculation is that the finished product is a
person who is more vigorous than the old Galileo and the old Newton.

My guess is that when human cloning becomes commonplace, there will be
a complaint amoung many, that the clones simply are dumber than the
parents. But adding the extra ingredient of a 47th chromosome into
human cloning, that the offspring are superior to the parent.

And the 47th chromosome will be highly selected for traits. Chromosome
ghi maybe the site of science abilities and chromosome jkl maybe the
site for sports ability so that we designer-genetics into
human-cloning.

All of the above is probably centuries away from being commonplace. But
it is good of me to indicate where the future is going, even though the
world present community is backward and wrong.

When you bann or limit stem cell research you only transfer the entire
technology out of the USA and giving some foreign countries a
technology that could ruin the USA medical science lead it has. When
you ban human cloning, you end up with our enemies perfecting human
cloning which leads to the eventual insecurity or even downfall of the
USA.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
 
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