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does cigarette smoking alleviate mercury or metal contaminates of the body; smokers do not get Alzheimers

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a_plutonium - 26 Dec 2006 03:53 GMT
A curious oddity, I wonder if smokers get Alzheimers? Or whether
smoking parents do not get autistic children?

I have posted a theory on Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Autism,
Schizophrenia, and Prion saying that they are caused by heavy metals
such as mercury and other metals.

But I was wondering whether smokers seem to rarely succumb to these
diseases? And if that is true in part or whole, what is it about
smoking that would link it to these diseases? Would smoking act as a
chelator of heavy metals such as mercury?

Archimedes Plutonium
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a_plutonium - 26 Dec 2006 05:59 GMT
I looked it up and found the BBC Health unit made a survey and found
that smokers run twice the risk of contracting Alzheimers or dementia
than nonsmokers.

So I make a 180 degree turn around and ask whether tobacco and
cigarettes contain mercury? That question is not far fetched because
coal burning releases mercury into the atmosphere. So why not tobacco
burning releasing mercury and other metals?

I guess I have another question to Google search for.

Archimedes Plutonium
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a_plutonium - 26 Dec 2006 06:14 GMT
Well I did a quick search and found this website to answer the
question.
--- quoting
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/pubs/contaminants/mercur/q18-q27_e.html

26. How much mercury is released from cigarette smoke?
Cigarette smoke contains up to 11.5 nanograms of mercury per cigarette
in mainstream smoke and up to 16.6 nanograms of mercury per cigarette
in side stream smoke.

Q27. What is the source of mercury in cigarettes?
Mercury is taken into the plant primarily by the growing root and
subsequently translocated to the leaves along with other nutrients.
Mercury exists in the tobacco plant as a result of its deposition from
the air, combined with the soil uptake of mercury. It is released in
tobacco smoke as the cigarette burns, and exposure to tobacco smoke
contributes to the total body burden of mercury.

--- end quoting ---

So now I have a new question and a new Google search to make. I wonder
if any survey was done on families of autistic children whether the
home has a smoker? And whether Schizophrenia occurs most often in a
home environment where there is alot of smoking?

Archimedes Plutonium
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C.D. Koger - 26 Dec 2006 09:29 GMT
> Well I did a quick search and found this website to answer the
> question.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> home has a smoker? And whether Schizophrenia occurs most often in a
> home environment where there is alot of smoking?

What are you trying to prove? If tobacco plants take in mercury (I don't see
why, they have no use for it), so do potatoes, tomatoes, spinach and a lot
of other vegetables. The chances of getting any mercury in your body thru
smoke are very small compared to eating leaves or fruit because a. you do
not digest smoke, b. most of the smoke from a cigarette escapes and c.
mercury is so heavy it would fall like a brick when released.
Even if "Q27" is correct, the vegetables and fruits - and drinking
contaminated water - will provide much more mercury, so you'd better
investigate if schizophrenia and altzheimer occur more frequently among
potatoe and salad eaters.
I personally smoke cigars in astonishing quantities for more than half a
century now and still have not collected enough mercury to make a
thermometer. My problem is what to do with the empty boxes.
a_plutonium - 26 Dec 2006 20:15 GMT
> What are you trying to prove? If tobacco plants take in mercury (I don't see
> why, they have no use for it), so do potatoes, tomatoes, spinach and a lot
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> century now and still have not collected enough mercury to make a
> thermometer. My problem is what to do with the empty boxes.

My theory about Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Prion, Autism, Schizophrenia
are caused by heavy metals such as mercury in combination with other
metals in the body.

Mercury in food in small amounts is not harmful and the body has means
of removal. However, mercury from the hot tip of burning tobacco is
transformed into toxic mercury of methyl and other forms of mercury. So
the mercury from smoking is exponentially more toxic.

But I need the data of surveys as to whether families where autism or
schizophrenia occur, whether there is a correlation to heavy smoking in
that household.

I have mercury amalgam in my teeth which is a gigantic amount of
mercury, but it is not harmful because my own body has means of removal
of that mercury in that form. But my body cannot remove that methyl or
ethyl or heat transformed mercury from smoking.

So you see the difference.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
C.D. Koger - 27 Dec 2006 09:28 GMT
> My theory about Alzheimers, Parkinsons, Prion, Autism, Schizophrenia
> are caused by heavy metals such as mercury in combination with other
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> transformed into toxic mercury of methyl and other forms of mercury. So
> the mercury from smoking is exponentially more toxic.

The word 'thermolabile' pops up. I studied chemistry only briefly and long
ago, but remember that organic Hg compounds were classified as highly toxic,
but quickly desintegrate when heated or even when subjected to daylight.
Since metallic Hg has never been observed in nature, which form do you think
it has when plant roots collect it? My bet would be HgS.

> But I need the data of surveys as to whether families where autism or
> schizophrenia occur, whether there is a correlation to heavy smoking in
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> So you see the difference.

Some 30 odd years ago a blackmailer/terrorist injected oranges from the
israeli 'Jaffa' brand with mercury, collected from broken thermometers. It
got wide media coverage in Europe and scared the sh.t out of many people.
Not much later, dentist started excavating amalgam fillings and replaced
them with the 'much safer' cyanomethacrylate compound, now found in
virtually every human mouth.
The amalgam fillings are not quite harmless: they contain Ag that reacts
with S from eggs and then slowly dissolves and enters the digestive tract.
There is also electrolysis if other metals like gold are present, initiating
very complex chemical reactions.In the presence of hydrocarbons and organic
acids I could imagine that toxic Hg and Ag organic compounds are formed.
a_plutonium - 27 Dec 2006 17:35 GMT
> Some 30 odd years ago a blackmailer/terrorist injected oranges from the
> israeli 'Jaffa' brand with mercury, collected from broken thermometers. It
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> very complex chemical reactions.In the presence of hydrocarbons and organic
> acids I could imagine that toxic Hg and Ag organic compounds are formed.

But the human body does have a means of removing small amounts of heavy
metal. I am testimony to having mercury fillings which have not harmed
me during my lifetime.

But what is important is that there are forms of mercury such as ethyl
or methyl mercury for which the human body is hugely harmed.

The last time I was on this topic (many months back) I explored where
in the USA mercury in the environment in toxic ethyl and methyl are
found and around Utah, Colorado where coal fired power stations abound
and where Utah gets the westerly winds off of Nevada which still allows
mercury air pollution. And would you not know it-- Utah has one of the
highest rates of Alzheimers, Prion, Parkinsons, Autism and
Schizophrenia.

I suspect that big cities have a higher rate of these 5 diseases
because of the cigarette smoking within those cities.

I suspect that a fresh newborn baby in a crib, if a smoker stood over
the baby and the one cigarette is enough of mercury poison that the
baby could and would contract Autism. Perhaps a baby brought into a
home where there is constant cigarette smoke in the air has the highest
rate of contracting Autism.

And then there is the cases of where pregnant women who smoke and offer
one of the highest rates that their baby will get Autism.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Lloyd Parker - 26 Dec 2006 10:37 GMT
>A curious oddity, I wonder if smokers get Alzheimers? Or whether
>smoking parents do not get autistic children?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>smoking that would link it to these diseases? Would smoking act as a
>chelator of heavy metals such as mercury?

Maybe they just die of smoking-related diseases first!

>Archimedes Plutonium
>www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
>whole entire Universe is just one big atom
>where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Frank - 28 Dec 2006 00:09 GMT
> Maybe they just die of smoking-related diseases first!

When I read the bulk of Archie's posts, I wonder what he's been smoking
;)
Frank
ReaderRabbit - 28 Dec 2006 07:22 GMT
> > Maybe they just die of smoking-related diseases first!
> >
> When I read the bulk of Archie's posts, I wonder what he's been smoking
> ;)
> Frank
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Archie P does the same thing in other NG's.  He replies to his
own posts and keeps changing the subject.  He started off with
the connection between smoking and alzeimers plus autism.
Then in the very next post he switches to mercury toxicity !

I really want to know if smoking DOES  protect against altzeimers.
As for autism, the literature I have read states that autism is
primarily caused by the defective sperm of older men....
men who concentrate on their professions first and then have
children later in life.

Cheers, David H
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
David Wright - 29 Dec 2006 23:11 GMT
>> > Maybe they just die of smoking-related diseases first!
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>men who concentrate on their professions first and then have
>children later in life.

I think that's a misstatement.  There is some evidence that autism may
be more common in children of older parents, but that's not the same
as saying that it's *primarily* caused by older parents having
children.

 -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
     "If George Bush were my dad, I'd be drunk in public so often that
      James Baker would have me killed." -- Bill Maher on the Bush twins
werty - 30 Dec 2006 05:41 GMT
Never mind what causes illness , the cure is Natural competition .

 In one short generation ,all imperfect genes would vanish , 6 billion

 people would live out their lives , die natural  ,

 And only a few of the richest people would create children ,

 Perfecting the gene pool in  only 60 years .

 Natural competition occurs naturally when you free the best humans ..

  Contrary to what your govt propoganda says !
 
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