Natural Science Forum / Biology / Biology / March 2008

 Exactly right.  But that's not likely to happen as long as worthless
nations like the U.S. can't even manage to join the world court.

 This will rapidly change with the ongoing destruction of the AmeriKKKan
state.

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Not only delusions about the universe, but delusions of grandeur as well, eh?  
As I recall, only God has claimed omniscience.

It comforts me to know that you are the expert on everything, and the rest of
us can just sit back, bask in your glow, and let you run the world, the
universe, and everything.  If I ever get stuck on a problem, I'll be sure to
ask you for the solution.

Sorry, about the numbering, for the previous post was #6 and the one
prior was #5.
Subject: Re: nicotine pesticide is probably the bee killer and now the
bat killer; evidence-- France;
new book World Science Council running Earth #6 Science Council book
(sic)

This post is a reflection on the instability of Democracy as a form of
government and unable to
handle and tackle and solve the problems confronting humanity in the
21st century and beyond.

In the news there is alot of news about plastics filling and clogging
the oceans and waterways
and landfills.

There is a simple solution to plastics, in make them refundable and
chargeable, just like we do
on bottles and cans.

But the major problems such as human overpopulation, global warming,
nuclear weapons
proliferation, are problems beyond solving by democracies in a timely
manner. These problems
are the major problems and governments usually do not have political
leaders who have
enough of a scientific mind to understand the problems and what it
takes to solve them.

So I am thinking of a political system that will be the next higher
and better form of government
than the present day existing political systems. And that better
system is a SCIENCE COUNCIL
governed by an elite group of scientists. Actually, every scientist in
the world is welcomed
and wanted. Our political strength and power will be our unity. We
will not be aggressors and
attacking, but will be passive in persuasion and our finest weapon of
persuasion is that we
can and will go on strike when faced with stupid and stubborn
governments such as the USA
on Global Warming.

Democracies take too long to recognize vital problems and by the time
they concede that a
problem needs fixing, it could well be too late.

A prime example is if a deadly meteorite was on a path of striking
Earth and if we had obtuse
politicians in the USA who knew nothing about science and what to do.

We see stupidity in the world at large now with what to do about
nuclear weapons proliferation
when a team of scientists would have tackled that problem by
constructing a MAD Fleet
(Mutually Assured Destruction). Democracies have done nothing about
the fact that Earth
can only support about 2 billion people with a well to do life and
where we have 5 billion
people in excess. A Science Council would have taken some measures to
control human
overpopulation, whereas Democracies around the world do not even
recognize or understand
this problem as big evil.

In short, Democracies are old and decayed and too flawed. They are not
nimble and fleet in
solving problems. They do not understand science and technology and it
is science and
technology that is driving progress of humanity.

When the USA was born in the 1770s, it was remarkable that the best
men of that time were
mostly scientists at heart-- Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Alexander
Hamilton, etc etc.
Even George Washington had a streak of science passion. But as the USA
went forward in
history, the presidents elected had an increasingly small minded about
science and to this
date, even anti-science people elected to office.

Not only are we missing on fixing the world's most pressing problems
but we are creating
more new problems that should never have been stirred up-- the Iraq
War of 2003.

Democracies around the world are going downhill relative to the
problems that the world
needs fixing.

So it is time to create what will be the next better and higher form
of political power-- World
Science Council.

The main strength of this political unit is its worldwide membership
and its unity if a
strike is called.

Even the medical profession is wanted to enlist in members, and the
world will have a
new Hippocratic Oath that will replace its ancient counterpart-- which
went something
along these lines-- heal every sick person regardless of anything
else.

In a World Science Council, the new Hippocratic Oath for the medical
profession will
be more along these lines-- medicine and doctors are scientists and we
need to
make sure that Earth is not ruined and Humanity does not go extinct.
The old Hippocratic
Oath was the little picture and the little details. The new
Hippocratic Oath wants the
medical profession and doctors to take a bigger picture. What good is
it to save
100 from diabetes when the entire human population goes extinct.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote:

Given that Wikipedia would have alot of nonsense related to the bee
die off, and which
blokes like Bob would get lost in that irrelevancies.

What peeves me off about Bob's reply above, is how a scientific mind
is only a part-time
scientist. A scientist in a classroom or in a meeting, but when it
comes to action, Bob
is lost. Bob seems to think science should have all the i 's dotted
and the t 's crossed
before action is taken on bee and bat die off. I am peeved off by
Bob's comment because
he fails to show commonsense and thus fails as a scientist. We do not
need 100% proof
that pesticides are the cause of bee and bat die off to act. If we see
a data or datum of
facts that can save the bees and bats in the summer of 2008, we should
follow that action.

Bob is simply stupid in his above reply. Here is what Wikipedia says
about the pesticides
regards to bees:

--- quoting Wikipedia about bee die off ---
It was a study from the "Comité Scientifique et Technique (CST)"
which was in the center of discussion recently, which led to a partial
ban of imidacloprid in France (known as Gaucho), primarily due to
concern over potential effects on honey bees.[45][46][47] Consequently
when fipronil, a phenylpyrazole insecticide and in Europe mainly
labeled "Regent", was used as a replacement, it was also found to be
toxic to bees, and banned partially in France in 2004.[48] In February
2007, about forty French deputies, led by UMP member Jacques Remiller,
requested the creation of a Parliamentary Investigation Commission on
Overmortality of Bees, underlining that the honey production was
decreasing by 1,000 tons a year for a decade. As of August 2007, no
investigations were yet opened.[29] The imidacloprid pesticide Gaucho
was banned, however, in 1999 by the French Minister of Agriculture
Jean Glavany. Five other insecticides based on fipronil were also
accused of killing bees. However, the scientific committees of the
European Union are still of the opinion "that the available monitoring
studies were mainly performed in France and EU-member-states should
consider the relevance of these studies for the circumstances in their
country."[49]

In 2005, a team of scientists led by the National Institute of
Beekeeping in Bologna, Italy, found that pollen obtained from seeds
dressed with imidacloprid contains significant levels of the
insecticide, and suggested that the polluted pollen might cause honey
bee colony death.[50] Analysis of maize and sunflower crops
originating from seeds dressed with imidacloprid suggest that large
amounts of the insecticide will be carried back to honey bee colonies.
[51] Sub-lethal doses of imidacloprid in sucrose solution have also
been documented to affect homing and foraging activity of honeybees.
[52] Imidacloprid in sucrose solution fed to bees in the laboratory
impaired their communication for a few hours.[53] Sub-lethal doses of
imidacloprid in laboratory and field experiment decreased flight
activity and olfactory discrimination, and olfactory learning
performance was impaired.[54] However, no detailed studies of toxicity
or pesticide residue in remaining honey or pollen in CCD-affected
colonies have been published so far, so, despite the similarity in
symptoms, no connection of neonicotinoids to CCD has yet been
confirmed.

--- end quoting Wikipedia about bee die-off ---

What Wikipedia failed to mention was that the bees are recovering in
France where the bann was forced.

So here is the story:

1) Bees dying off everywhere in the 1990s when these new pesticides
were marketed
2) France finds a causal link with the pesticides and bee die off
3) France banns the use of those pesticides
4) the bees in France recover back to normal

That does not prove the pesticides caused the bee die-off, but it does
prove that banning the pesticides
made things normal for bees. That is ACTIONABLE data. And the action
that the USA should do right
now, at this very moment is issue a ban on those same insecticides.

Now if it is found out that the insecticides was not the cause of the
bee die off, then the insecticides can
be placed back on the market.

What I am peeved off about Bob is how a scientist can be so illogical
when it comes to action. Illogical
and stupid, because I value bees and bats and if stupid people like
Bob who unnecessarily hesitate
and thus killing millions
of bees and bats while they lazily dot their i's and t's in their
untimely proof.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies