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Basically this book is simple, in that it is a geometry compilation of
how "perfect DNA/RNA"
can fit inside a photon or light wave or neutrino. The double spiral
helix of DNA how it can
be made "perfect" and thus an internal part of a Light Wave or
Neutrino of their transverse
wave of E field and B field.

So basically this book which is one of three of this trilogy books is
to elaborate on how
DNA exists inside physics photon or physics neutrino.

But I must review some of my past history on this subject and so I
sketchedly include
some of those old posts here. I will not use most of them but it is
good to review what I
wrote in the past on this subject. So in future editions I will have
incorporated some of these
old posts and discarded most.

Biogenesis, first life from high energy particle physics; either
Sonoluminescence experiment or CERN type accelerator or the Fly's Eye
Cosmic Particle Detector or some other will evince that life is in
physics high energy particles
by Archimedes Plutonium
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In article (4ugd25$bmq@bubba.NMSU.Edu> writes:

I remember in 1993 that the highest energy cosmic particle ever
recorded (by Fly's Eye detector) had an energy of 10^14 MEV. That is
more than enough energy when stopped to form an entire bacteria --
just
out of the energy. In fact some wise crack made in sci.physics at the
time (1993) said that 10^14 MEV was more energy than the energy of his
breakfast.
I believe that 10^14 MEV has been *bested* recently by a particle
measured at 10^17 MEV. You must realize that humanity's physics
accelerators do not even come close to these kinds of energies.

Yes I am saying that if you were to stop one of these cosmic
particles, it has the good likelihood of creating a form of life on
the
spot. My biogenesis theory has two parts to it. (One) that particles
such as the photon are complex DNA springs already, and that 1/2 of a
photon is a neutrino just like splitting a DNA down the middle. Only
the photon DNA is perfect DNA. And (second) these cosmic particles
have
this enormous energy 10^17 MEV to convert that perfect DNA when
stopped, rest massed, convert it into living less-than-perfect DNA
resulting in a new living creature.

 First life on Earth 16 billion years ago (age of Thorium Atom
Totality 20.2 billion years ago) was cosmic ray produced
life. And the life found in the Martian meteor rock was formed 16
billion years ago by a similar stopped cosmic particle. All the
planets
have a greater than 90% probability of containing life! Why? Because
life starts from energetic photons or cosmic particles when stopped
transform their energy and intrinsic DNA into a living creature. Often
this new life will not live long because the environment is not
suitable. We should be able to set up experiments in the Fly's Eye
detector to see if one of these energetic particles turns into a blue
green algae or other new creature. This is an experiment we can
perform
but the trouble will be to convince diehards that what happened was
truly a new created lifeform from physics particles. In fact, even the
accelerators can be put to useful use by testing to see if their
particles after coming to rest have created a new life form. An
interesting interdisciplinary investigation. High energy particle
accelerators of CERN or US checking to see if their energetic protons
or particles can create a new lifeform where none existed before.

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From: Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium)
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Subject: Sonoluminescence, Accelerators, or Fly's Eye
detector; BIOGENESIS
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In article (4uoo8q$gdo@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

Sonoluminescence has the energy to create a whole virus from just out
of the pure energy, the photon energy.

Fly's Eye Detector detects 10^17 MEV cosmic particles, which when come
to rest is a whooping enough energy to create an entire bacteria from
scratch. Not from scratch because a photon is a perfect DNA/RNA wave.

High energy particle physics accelerators, although no where near the
energy of cosmic particles have the energy to produce particles that
when slammed into a biofree purified wall of water there can be found
new viruses or bacteria or blue green algae which never existed before
the experiment. The energy of the particle when it came to rest
converted the DNA of the photonic energy into a new form of life.

The old Stanley Miller experiment out in Chicago in 1953 producing
amino acids from electric discharge (lightning simulations), missed
the
major point. The major point is not the Miller way of random
probabilities of having the ingredients in the right place and
lightning strike new life. This is Probability physics. The correct
point is that physics is already biology and that there is no need for
probabilities with vast amounts of time to work the "luck" into the
probability equations. Physics is biology and so the correct reasoning
is that photons are already perfect DNA/RNA. The complexity of life
should never exceed the complexity of physics.
Thus, every photon is a DNA/RNA wave, a perfect DNA wave and if it
has enough energy, when that photon comes to rest, it can and will
make
a entire living organism.

So, here are the successor experiments of the Miller Chicago
experiments. I believe that sonoluminescence has the best chance of
creating new life from scratch because sonoluminescence is a water
medium in the first place. And perhaps the first life on Earth was a
sonoluminescence induced creation. Say a meteor slamming into the
ocean
and in its slamming produced sonoluminescence bubbles that created the
first blue green algae. Make the distinction between the first
sustainable life form from all the other created life forms that were
not sustainable.

Biogenesis experiments are hard to make 100% bio free from already
existing life. But harder yet will be the convincing of other
scientists that you did in fact have a sterilized water tank or Fly's
Eye detector and that the newly created life form did come from the
physics. It is so very hard to sterilize and make a 100% bio free
container. Perhaps the insides of a highly purified GE diamond can
serve as the proof of newly created organism. Or perhaps a Fly's Eye
in
outer space can be set up.

No matter how repeatable is a biogenesis experiment the critics will
be so flamboyant as to be ridiculous. Given time though, the
repeatablity and the precision will increase that the critics shouts
and hollers will subside and then the biogenesis experiments and
knowledge accepted as mainstream science. Betting here on 15AUG96, I
would say that sonoluminescence will be the first experimental set-up
to report the creation of new life-- either virus or bacteria or
blue-green algae

Accelerators such as CERN in the future will be used to create life,
biophysics, and to analyze the DNA/RNA of a photon = 2 neutrinos
thereby revising the Maxwell Equations where 1 photon = 2 neutrinos.
by Archimedes Plutonium
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Summary: start of the science of biophysics and biogenesis

In article (4uoev0$l69@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>
Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

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You know and I know that nothing is done on earth without our Maker's
purpose behind it. For 30 years now the sole existence for building
CERN has been to find the 'nonexistent' Higgs. That is a pitiful waste
of 15 billion dollars. The Higgs was not the sole purpose of spending
15 billion but the major purpose.

Now I give the real reason why so much money was spent on CERN and
other high energy physics accelerators and why this research is
crucial
and vital (vital is a good word here). It is my theory that a photon
is
perfect DNA/RNA and that a perfect DNA cut down the middle is two
strands of neutrinos and when stopped can form an entire new life form
if it has enough energy.

The Fly's Eye high energy cosmic particle detector has measured a
10^14 MEV and also a 10^17 MEV particles. That is a whooping enough
energy to create on the spot an entire whole new bacteria which was
never there before. Thusly, the world's accelerators (if sterilized
and
these machines are fitting appropriate self sterilizers) can become
the
laboratory of creating high energy simulated cosmic particles and have
them come to rest by smacking into a purified nonbio wall of water and
it will be observed that a new form of life, whether altogether
different from any existing life form on Earth or whether similar to a
life form on Earth.

 Ladies and Gentlemen, this is where physics makes biophysics. Most
of the theory is contained in my web page
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~atom    and I will add this post to the
website.

 Here is a sketch of a likely future history of CERN and other
particle accelerators. Their funding will be slashed considerably.

The Standard Model bites the dust and is trashcanned. The Higgs for
obvious reasons is a fakery.

At one of the world's particle accelerator it is noticed that a form
of life "new form" is observed closely.  Or, at the Fly's Eye detector
a new form of life is observed.

Of course the mainstream scientist are all dubious. But then some
researchers duplicate this finding of new life where life should not
have been.

The high energy particle accelerators are enlisted to duplicate this
finding that high energy particles when coming to rest in pure water
there is formed a blue green algae or some other life form out of the
high energy particle.

In the far future the accelerators are used to pin down the theory
that a photon is 2 neutrinos and that a photon is perfect DNA.

Ironic that the accelerators of physics are the greatest instruments
for the biologist in the future.

Of course unexpected events could happen in my above best guess
scenario. For instance, it is likely that already some odd organisms
are to be found inside of these high energy machines but noone thought
them of importance. Or, the Fly's Eye has seen a odd bacteria on there
dish-so-to-speak.

Anyway, the discovery of newly created life from inert physical high
energy particles will start the science of biophysics and then rapidly
delve into the research that a photon or high energy particle is
perfect DNA when in motion but when it comes to rest can form a new
lifeform. This was and is the biogenesis of Earth, Mars and all the
other planets. I doubt if the Sun has any lifeform but generally in
science our doubts come back to haunt us. To a Atom Totalist, me,
every
atom in the world is connected to every other atom

DNA/RNA are less perfect photons
(DNA = photon stopped) (photon is a more perfect DNA)
by Archimedes Plutonium
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Subject: First life; DNA + RNA = 1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos
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From: Ludwig.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Ludwig Plutonium)
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 This is a most amazing verified fact that a particle exists which
has 10^14 MEV. Another verified fact is that these energetic bursts
are
uniform throughout the cosmic sky with no known source.  There is the
fact that a neutron is 931 MEV and a proton is 928 MEV. And the fact
that the mass creation of a prion or virus requires 10^14 MEV. And the
fact that an energetic particle of 10^14 MEV can create roughly 10^8
particles of element 189. And the fact that 10^14 MEV can create what
atomic element? Can it create element of atomic number 10^11?? From
Aug1993 I posted both to sci.physics and sci.physics.fusion my patent
on SPONTANEOUS NEUTRON MATERIALIZATION DEVICES. This is an extension
of
Dirac's ideas as mentioned in his most excellent little book, one of
the best books on physics ever written--Directions in Physics. And it
is truly remarkable to me that the physics community has ignored
Dirac's positing of a "new radioactivities." See his gem of a book on
this. If the universe is an atom totality then the growth of the
universe is by spontaneous materialization. This is a direct violation
of the conservation laws. The big bang model is dumbfounded in trying
to explain a 10^14 particle and the uniformity along with no known
source for these particles, and the model supporters logic turns
contradictory. The steady-state model is dumbfounded in trying to
explain these facts, and again, the model supporters logic turns
contradictory. Only the atom totality theory gives the answers easily
and naturally, Not only does spontaneous materialization of elements 1
through 189 occur in our 94th electron observable 231 Pu totality. But
life comes into existence spontaneously. The first living creatures
were prions and viruses which evolved biologically to higher and more
complex lifeforms. By the way this outline of the first lifeforms as
prions and viruses is counter to the present biology communitys' view
that the cell was the first life form and prions and viruses came
afterwards. I contend that this is a reverse of what really happened.
Prions and viruses came first.
--- end of quoting 1993 post ---

Recently I made the assertion that the first life was oil formed
mechanically, by purely physical means and later some of those
molecules became organisms that fed on the oil itself.

Thinking more about this, I favor another first life hypothesis.
Because of one experimental proof in physics the Bell and Aspect
experiment giving superdeterminism.

Notice that the DNA comes in a helical strand and can be divided and
that reproduction and information is passed into the future by this
division and reassembling.

I posit  that the Photon is a transverse wave which can be divided
and reassembled. When divided it is a neutrino. Thus 2 neutrinos put
together can pass on information into the future.

I like this new theory of mine because it makes life the same as
physics and physical happenings. Unlike the oil first hypothesis which
is a gradation from inorganic to organic with no boundary, still, it
does not link physics to biology in a wholescale way. However, if we
view the Coulomb force as the absorption and emittance of a photon
between two charged particles such as the proton and electron of a
hydrogen atom, this interaction such as  the analogy of what keeps two
tennis players together is the shooting back and forth of the tennis
ball (hydrogen it is the photons). If we can elaborate on the Coulomb
Interaction as the absorption and emittance of photons but in that
absorption the photon divides, information is given or "biologically
reproduced" and then the neutrino strands are spliced back together
and
emitted back to the proton.

 IN the above rudimentary scheme is the first solving of the
Mind-Body problem of psychology. In the above is the first workings of
how the Mind thinks. Around 1993-1994 I had posted about the Brain
Locus and Mind Locus theory. Perhaps the above elaborates on this
theory. Where the Protons of the Plutonium Atom Totality Whole, the 94
Protons in the nucleus, emitt and absorb photons, divide them and gain
information then shoot them back either as divided photons which are
thus neutrinos or as whole photons to our observable  universe of the
94th and 93rd electron and some of those neutrinos come into our brain
and are assembled together giving a "unit of thought".

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Long time ago around 1993 I wanted to Neutrinolize the Maxwell
Equations. Little progress since 1993. I am sure that
superconductivity
is the splitting of photon messengers to tell the electrons to move
into neutrinos which tell the electrons to move, hence no electrical
resistance.

Little progress because there is zip of a mental picture, until this
morning today of 4 Nov '95. Some progress was made this month of Nov
already in the fact that a tiny rest mass for the neutrino would allow
for binding energy of 2 neutrinos to form 1 photon.

This morning I came to a pretty working analogy which may be much more
than just an analogy. It may be the whole truth about neutrinos and
photons and DNA and RNA. The title could have just as well been RNA =
photon.

Like Faraday who needed some working models, his lines of force, in
order to extract the science laws behind the workings. So also, I need
some mental scaffolding to attack the Neutrinolizing of the Maxwell
Equations. Heretofore all I had was paltry tidbits of facts of
neutrino
and photon spin , speed unsure of, rest mass unsure of, true it was a
transverse wave.

But now I have some real meat and potatoes to chew.  Consider the
transverse wave of the photon, perhaps it is just a more perfect DNA
or
RNA strand which when need be divides to give information and
reassembles back together. Thus, neutrinos are 1/2 of a photon strand
and the neutrino is just a more perfect 1/2 of a DNA or RNA strand.
If
all of this is true to a degree, such as Faraday's Lines of Force
enabled him to intuit his electromagnetism. Then this analogy that
photons are assembled neutrinos and that neutrinos are biological
strands of DNA or RNA only on a more perfect degree, then, more can be
made of what goes on in the Coulomb Interaction and what goes on in
the
neutrino behavior. If this is true then it would suggest that the
neutrino and the photon indeed have rest mass both. If this is true
then the electro part of the wave and the magnetism part of the wave
of
a photon is the analogous to the helix chain as the electro part and
the binding guanine-cystosine etc those things connecting 1/2 strands
of DNA and RNA are the magnetism part of a photon.  A neutrino thus is
a 1/2 strand of a photon looking to pair up with another 1/2 strand.
Thus physics and biology converge completely!!!

Another pretty implication if the above is true is that magnetism
would have "different" connectors just as DNA has the 4 connectors of
cytosine- guanine and  adenine-thymine. Also, since the DNA is double
helix like a spiral staircase of two intertwined chains connected like
steps with those 4 base pairs would go a long way in seeing what a
photon is.

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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

 Perhaps for the first time biology will lead the way into the purest
of physics. Let me speak freely for a change. Suppose you want to
think
about the neutrino or the photon as an entity. Like as if on the back
porch in a lawn chair discussing the photon or neutrino. What can we
say about them. Let us compare such a conversation say with talking
about a maple tree and a apple tree, or say between animals say cats
and dogs. There is many things we can talk about and picture. On the
other hand, back to the subject of talking about the photon and
neutrino we are left with paltry if we exclude experiments. That is we
are almost talking about a "point" in math. What is there to describe
for a "point", a photon, or a neutrino. Not much at all.
Since I am the author of the Plutonium Atom Totality where our
observable universe is 2 electrons, the 94th and 93rd, look around and
this is an electron. Then, obviously I would be the last to say that a
photon is merely a transverse wave, a disturbance in the
electromagnetic field, a electric component at 90 degrees to a
magnetic
component whose rest mass is guessed to be zero and it travels at c in
vacuo. And much less of a description for the neutrino. On that back
porch or lawn chair if I were to talk about say dogs the description
could go on for days and days. Talking about describing the photon and
or neutrino the description ends in a matter of minutes.
 However if I were to discuss DNA or RNA the description can last
longer than a lifetime. And talking about a description of the 94th
and
93rd electron observable universe is endless.
 So, what in all the world is closest as a description of the photon
or neutrino. There is nothing in physics itself which can help in this
unknown territory. So  the wise person goes to whatever there is in
the
world which can help into making progress. The photon looks awfully
suspicious to the workings and internal composition to DNA double
helix
of biology, where a half of DNA is the neutrino. I cannot think of
anything else in the physical or biological world which can offer some
insight into the description of the photon beyond its essential
descriptions of mass, speed, spin etc.
 Like Faraday who needed models for analogy, I need something to lead
a charge into Neutrinolizing the Maxwell Equations. I believe I have
found that something to picture this morning of 4Nov95 and it offers a
model of assembling a photon out of neutrinos plus tell what the
Coulomb Interaction inner workings are.
This is all so very beautiful because it entails that physics is just
a more perfect biology. Thus as biology progresses it in effect will
become a light particle in speed and perfect assemblage of 2
neutrinos.
This newest theory of mine even helps my previous Strong Nuclear =
Hydrogen Atom Systems (hyasys) because it explains the strong nuclear
interaction as a picture where nuclear electrons exchange neutrinos at
close range with the protons and that the strong nuclear is merely the
reassembling of, the zipping together of neutrinos which holds the
protons together. Thus Coulombic force of a normal electron zipping
together neutrinos takes exponentially more time and enormous distance
whereas the nucleus is short range distance and exponentially short in
time.

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Subject: Re: First life; DNA + RNA = 1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos
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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

Depends on what you want to consider as first. If DNA or RNA = 1
photon
= 2 Neutrinos means that life exists from the start and everywhere
photons are. And thus an energetic photon could be turned into a
primitive form of life like an algae or oil eating microbe

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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

DNA = photon is the best that anyone can do at this moment of history
to link biology to physics.

If Alessandro Volta had had the Internet before he invented the
electric battery, he may have posted that Electric Eel = Voltaic Pile
=
Electric battery.

There are other instances where biology has come to the aid of
physics. For my case, I need something more than what the physicists
offer concerning what is a photon and what is a neutrino. I assume at
the start that biology has connection to physics. Of all of the things
in the world to say "hey, what is the closest thing similar to a
photon
or to a neutrino, and the answer I come up with is DNA of life."

 Can I refine it at this stage? Yes, I can say that the double helix
is very similar to the transverse nature of a photon. And the electric
component and magnetic component of light is the photons connectors
such as the 4 connectors of DNA, cytosine- guanine and
adenine-thymine. Thus in this fashion a mental picture can start to be
made of the photon and neutrino in order to Neutrinolize the Maxwell
Equations.

 This is speculative science, but smart science for it is the looking
for the very best in all the world to connect ideas on how the photon
works. Would Volta have discovered the electric battery if no
biological thing of that nature existed. I doubt it because it was the
frogs legs that inspired Galvani and it was the electric eel that
inspired Volta. And it is DNA, RNA that is inspiring to make
intelligent guesses on the photon and neutrino.

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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

Refine it to the thought that the photon writ small is almost perfect
and the photon writ large is so out of shape but it is "life". Like a
chariot of olden times is a means of transportation, a jet airplane is
a means of transportation in modern times. A DNA is a messenger in
life, and the DNA of an atom are photons. Only the educated science
fools of this world would think that the electron is a "point"
particle. What is a point?
 The very best we have in all the world to say "hey, what resembles a
photon or a neutrino --- and my answer is DNA and RNA."  Photons are
highly perfect geometrical objects of DNA and RNA. In this fashion, am
I able now to start to do some real math as to Neutrinolizing the
Maxwell Equations. Do I have something to work with besides what the
physicists can proffer as to  mundane and unconnected facts of spin 0
and speed of light in vacuo.

 Since a vacuum is impossible, is not the speed of light c
impossible? Obviously yes.

 Since no vacuum is possible is not the speed of light always less
than c? Of course yes.

 Thus, photons must have some very tiny rest mass.

 If DNA is made up of strands of RNA, analogously if a photon is made
up of electric and transverse magnetic fields, then one comes from the
other and vice versa.

By these analogies, one can start to make wise guesses that photons
and neutrinos do in fact have a tiny rest mass. That it is impossible
for anything to have zero rest mass. For to have zero rest mass would
mean that a complete vaccuum is possible. A photon is perhaps the most
perfect particle of information but not 100% perfect. To think that
DNA
is perfect is laughable. You see, in this fashion, one has a
solid-way-of-thinking about neutrinos, and photons. And much of what I
am saying above will in some ways turn out to be the truth.

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Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

DNA is not made up of strands of RNA.  They are distinct chemical
compounds,
and the distinction is based the presence (in RNA) or absense (in DNA)
of a
hydroxl group at the  2' position of the  ribose sugar portion of the
molecule.

DNA exists in nature in both single and double stranded forms, and RNA
exists
in nature in both single and double stranded forms.  Neither is "made
up of"
the other.

As for your ideas in general, I think you should take a few years and
read some
science books, lots of science books, and then start again.

Kurt Bray

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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

An emailer wrote me:
--- You wrote:
This is actually in interesting idea.  At first I didn't think
that it would be possible based on quantum numbers, but if the
neutrinos were weakly bound so that only one bound state
existed, you wouldn't need to introduce new hidden quantum
numbers for the photon.  If the binding were strong, you would
have a whole new set of hidden quantum numbers that would be
unpleasent to deal with.  Also, if you had a neutrino and
antineutrino bound with their spins parallel, you would get the
proper lepton number, proper intrinsic spin.  I haven't had the
chance to see if the other numbers are also correct, but this
should be fairly easy to detect by looking for the reaction
gamma->nu+nubar.

You wrote:

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With the very best analogy in all the world of what a photon is, ie,
DNA and RNA can we begin to make gains in this science.

I still have not located Pryce's objection to Debroglie's and
Kronig's building the photon out of 2 neutrinos. It had something to
do
with the photon being a transverse wave or helicity. Anyone know the
history and the exact references. Much appreciated.
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Hywel Owen (h.owen@dl.ac.uk> writes:

Okay, consider the cell as a point in some space where all cells are
points. Take a frame of reference where all cells are reduced to
points. In math all Reals are points in Euclidean Plane. But all the
Reals are not points in another space.

In another space, or the physicist calls them frame of reference,
Reals are waves such as in a Fourier Transform Space, not points. Or
take the Reals in Riemannian Space where each Real number is not a
point

That was just for illustration sake.

But a cell in a space where it is not a point, has an inside with
structure and finer details and is not a point in this frame of
reference. And the most ordered structure within a cell is the DNA
which you could say is the most special and ordered structure of that
cell. DNA is the most special structure of a cell's internal parts.

So now back to a photon or electron. Yes you can set up experiments
where you put the photon or electron into a frame of reference or what
I call a space so that it hides all of the electron or photon inner
structure and that is exactly what physicists have done for the past
50
years or more.

One of the most stupidest claims of physicists of the 20th century is
the claim that a photon or electron have no insides, no complex
internal structure. They have been fooled by experiments because they
have choosen only experiments which show the opposite duality of
internal structure. Like the particle people denying always the wave
people's evidence.

Physics has never designed or performed an experiment with the aim of
observing the inner structure of electrons or photons. Once the
physicists start designing and making and observing experiments that
aim to unravel internal structure of photon and electron, then more
and
more experiments will detail the inner structure of the photon and
electron. And you will find that the most special inner structure of
the photon possesses an entity which like the DNA of a cell is special
to that photon. I call it 'perfect DNA' and this perfect DNA is a
combination of at least 2 neutrinos. I call it perfect DNA because DNA
as a single entity is the most complex entity that we know of in the
physical world.

I have the Dirac beauty intuition that the photon has to be equal to
or greater than the most complex physical entity known, which is the
bio DNA and since that complexity is greater than or equal to biology
DNA, I call it perfect DNA. It has the potential when stopped or come
to rest of turning into a living creature.

I suspect you do not believe any of this, and/or, you are going to
carp on the old experiments which propagandize (not prove) that the
photon and electron do or do not have inner structure. Just like those
thousands of experiments carping of a non rest mass for the neutrino,
until a good experiment was set up to show the neutrino does have a
rest mass.

I have made this as clear as possible. There is no other physical
entity in the known Universe which is as complex as DNA and that is
why
I call the inner structure of a photon perfect DNA. This connects with
my SPring theory.

 DNA helix looks and acts like a spring.

All waves can be taken as a spring

Thus the world of physics can be viewed as a Duality of Particles and
Waves. And the particles are atoms and the waves are SPrings. All
particles have particles inside of them. All atoms are composed of
atoms inside of them. Given a Neutron, there exists a hydrogen atom
inside of it. Given a plutonium atom there exists all the other
smaller
atoms inside of it.
Given a 231PU our entire observable universe exists inside of just the
last 6 electrons. Atoms are inside of electrons. Atoms are inside of
quarks. There is an infinite regression of atoms. Why? Because to make
a statement that "Only atoms exist" means that every atom is composed
of other atoms and every subatomic particle is composed of more atoms
within that frame of reference.

Instead of particles or atoms talk about the dual of waves. All waves
are springs and all springs have more springs inside of them.

This is the fundamental picture of the physics world, duality of
particle and wave, or duality of atoms within atoms or springs within
springs. There is nothing lower than this fundamental conception.

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Energetic neutrino when stopped can turn into a Transposon
RNA = stopped neutrino

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Recently there was news of more percentage of the chiral carbon found
in the meteorites that is found in life on Earth. It is highly likely
that this carbon came from neutrino-viruses  (what we call
transposons)
which came from energetic photons, cosmic rays or neutrinos that
stopped.

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--- quoting McGraw-Hill Encycl. of Science & Tech. 1992 ---

TRANSPOSONS
 Types of transposable elements which comprise large discrete
segments of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA) capable of moving from one
chromosome site to a new location. In bacteria, the transposable
elements can be grouped into two classes, the insertion sequences and
the transposons. The ability of transposable elements to insert into
plasmid or bacterial virus  (bacteriophage) which is transmissible
from
one organism to another allows for their rapid spread.
 The insertion sequences were first identified by their ability to
induce unusual mutations in the structural gene for a protein involved
in sugar metabolism. These insertion sequences are relatively small
(about 500-1500 nucleotide pairs) and can only be followed by their
ability to induce these mutations. Most bacterial chromosomes contain
several copies of such insertion sequence elements.
 The transposons are larger segments of DNA (2000-10,000 base pairs)
that encode several proteins, usually one or two required for the
movement of the element and often an additional protein that imparts a
selective advantage to the host containing a copy of that element. The
structure of many transposons suggests they may have evolved from the
simpler insertion sequence elements. For example, the transposons Tn9
contains two copies of the element IS1 flanking a region of unique DNA
encoding resistance to the antibiotic chloramphenicol.
 All transposable elements, both the simple insertion sequence
elements and the more complex transposons, have a similar structure
and
genetic organization (see illus.). The ends of the element represent
recognition sites and define the segment of DNA undergoing
transposition. A short sequence present at one end of the element is
repeated in an inverted fashion at the other end. These terminal
inverted repeats are characteristic for each element. In the case of
the composite transposons like Tn9, the inverted repeats present at
the
end of each IS1 element result in the entire transposon also having
inverted repeats. One or more proteins essential in the recognition of
the inverted repeat are encoded in the body of the element.
 Members of a widespread group of transposons, the Tn3 family, all
have a similar structure and appear to move by a similar mechanism.
Thansposase, one protein encoded by the element, promotes the
formation
of intermediates called cointegrates, in which the element has been
duplicated by replication. A second element-encoded protein,
resolvase,
completes the process by converting the cointegrates into the end
products of transposition, a transposon inserted into a new site. A
third protein encoded by the Tn3 element imparts resistance to the
antibiotic ampicillin.
 Transposons are known that encode resistances to almost all
antibiotics as well as many toxic metals and chemicals. In addition,
some transposons have acquired the ability to direct the synthesis of
proteins that metabolize carbohydrates, petroleum, and pesticides.
Other transposable elements produce enterotoxins that cause travelers
to become ill from drinking water contaminated with bacteria carrying
the element. The broad spectrum of activities encoded by the
transposable elements demonstrates the strong selective advantage that
has accompanied their evolution.

[the illustration caption says this]  Structure of a typical
transposable element. The colored arrows indicate the terminal
inverted
repeats characteristic of each element. Note that Tn9 is a composite
transposon derived from directly repeated IS1 elements. The black
arrows indicate genes for proteins involved in transposition (A and R)
or antibiotic resistance. The Tn9 transposon is resistant to
chloramphenicol (Cm), while the Tn3 element encodes resistance to
ampicillin (Ap) and its derivative penicillin.
--- end quoting McGraw-Hill Encycl. of Science & Tech. 1992 ---

My theory is that the photon or neutrino when stopped is a stopped DNA
molecule provided the original photon or neutrino is energetic enough.

Fly's Eye detector has detected cosmic ray particles (usually
protons) with energies of 10^19 MeV. That is a whooping huge energy,
enough to make a small lightning bolt. That energy alone is enough to
create an entire small insect from scratch.

My theory is that life begins from energetic stopped photons or
neutrinos. And the reason all life on Earth is left-handed threaded is
because a neutrino is left-handed threaded.

In physics, how are we to visualize a photon composed of 2 neutrinos.
Now the first clues of this visualization are going to come to us from
biology. Physics and biology, from 1995 onwards will closely relate
and
help each other.

A photon or neutrino are not dots of nothing but energy flying around
in the sky. These physics particles are complex and have a very
complex
internal structure. In fact, one of my theory says that each photon is
composed of 2 neutrinos. How are we to picture two neutrinos making up
a photon. The helper in answering this will now come from biology.
These transposable elements are stopped energetic neutrinos and the go
together to compose a complete organism like a RNA virus or DNA virus
or blue green algae or rock eating bacteria.
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It was Debroglie in his book MATTER & LIGHT where he discusses the
composite photon. Debroglie was a master of intuition concerning the
'insides' of elementary particles. Debroglie thought that the atom , a
single isolated atom has a thermodynamics. I would further
Debroglie's-thermodynamics-of-isolated-atom by the Atom Totality
theory. And also, I would concur on Debroglie's intuition that the
photon was a composite particle of 2 neutrinos. A brilliant intuitive
genius of Debroglie , none of his theoretical ideas should be
dismissed, but given all likelihood of being correct. Debroglie's idea
that a photon has internal structure and composed of 2 neutrinos
should
be accepted at full value and only discarded when it cannot be
workable. So far the objections to Debroglie's 1 photon = 2 neutrinos
are easily worked around.

The gap between life and nonlife is a huge gap. It is perhaps the
largest gap that exists in all of the physical world. Until the 1990s
scientists never really minded this gap and have tried to reconcile it
by saying that given enough time, 3 billion years, any gap can be
bridged and that some how in 3 billion years of Earth history enough
chemical things happened that life was created.

I disagree with this scenario. I think that in science there are no
gaps at all and that all of science is one smooth transition from one
to another. There are no huge gaps or discontinuities from biology to
physics or between any two sciences. So I can I eliminate this gap
between biology and physics of life and nonlife. This is easy. Easy if
I postulate that the photon or neutrino have internal parts and are
complex entities. That the photon and neutrino are not just
dots-of-energy-without-internal-parts flying around.

It was recently discovered that the neutrino has a very tiny rest
mass.

 So far the photon rest mass is undiscovered.

It has been known for a long time that the cosmic rays (usually
protons) have huge energies , some recorded at 10^19 MeV. That amount
of energy is the amount of energy of a complete live insect if the
insect where converted into energy. Remember that a single hydrogen
atom is about 1,000 MeV.

 So, what I am driving at in this new theory of mine.

1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos = perfect DNA = life forms when energetic
enough and rest mass stopped

What I am driving at in this new theory is that there is no gap
between what is living and what is nonliving and that we should begin
to understand the internal structure of a photon and a neutrino by
studying the forms of life especially the lower forms such as the
viruses and these transposon elements.

Perhaps a better term for viruses should be Stoppedphotons and a
better term for transposon elements is Stoppedneutrinos.

That the science of physics is now to be enriched from studying how
transposons combine to make a virus or simple organism.

 And the science of biology is going to be enriched by the knowledge
of the characteristics of elementary particles. For instance the
neutrino, not the antineutrino, has a left-handed thread and all life
on Earth is based on a left handed thread, meaning that the neutrino
is
the birthplace, the genesis of all life on Earth. How is the neutrino
formed in physical processes will also shed more knowledge on how
first
life on Earth formed. And experiments can be set-up where energetic
neutrinos are formed and where DNA or RNA are created from stopped
neutrinos.

Biology and Physics are married in a theory that 1 Photon = 2
Neutrinos = perfect DNA.

The life on Mars was from stopped neutrinos or stopped rest mass
photons.

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Consider a photon, a photon can grow with other photons in the form of
laser light. Photons have the characteristic of many-forming-one. Now
consider the biology of growing.

The point of this new theory of mine is that I believe the photon is
a
composite particle of 2 neutrinos, but how to visualize that? And I
believe the photon is perfect DNA but when stopped is materialized
DNA.
Those two ideas would imply  that the neutrino also must be DNA or
RNA.
Neutrinos have a left and right threading and life has a threading.

So where does the DNA virus come from? A stopped neutrino or photon
or something else,  a cosmic ray or beta particle?  So where does the
RNA virus come from and where do the transposable elements come from.

IF my above two ideas are correct meant that  I could not stop at
viruses as the most simple of biological structure but that there had
to be a smaller one and I called it  neutrinovirus.

 This is all exciting because it allows biology to teach physicists
what the inside of a photon is like and it allows physicists to teach
biologists the origin of life on Earth and Mars and other planets and
teaches biologists some characteristics of these life forms.

--- quoting McGraw-Hill Encycl. of Science & Tech. 1992 ---

 The bacteriophage Mu (mutator) replicates itself in a mechanism that
involves transposition into many sites in the host genome. In the
process of high-frequency transposition, the bacteriophage often
mutates genes in the host organism. Other phages have adopted
transpositionlike events for special purposes.
 Transposable elements are not restricted to prokaryotes. Yeast as
well as higher eukaryotes have DNA segments that move and cause
mutations. In fact, the earliest models suggesting the existence of
transposable DNA segments were based on genetic work by B. McClintock
in the 1930s with corn plants. The eukaryotic elements have much in
common with their prokaryotic counterparts: the termini of the
elements
are composed of inverted repeats, and many of the larger elements are
composed of two small insertion sequence-like regions flanking a
unique
central region. One class of eukaryotic virus, the ribonucleic acid
(RNA) retrovirus, also has this structure and is thought to integrate
into the host chromosome through a transpositionlike mechanism.

Bibliography. D. Berg and M. Howe (eds), Mobile DNA 1989; N. Federoff,
Controlling elements in maize, Sci. Amer. 250(6):84-91, June 1984; N.
Kleckner, Transposable elements in prokaryotes, Annu. Rev. Genet.,
15:341-404,1981; M. E. Lambert, J.F. McDonald, and I.B. Weinstein,
Eukaryotic Transposable Elements as Mutagenic Agents, 1988; O. Nelson
(ed.) Plant Transposable Elements, 1988; J.A. Shapiro (ed.), Mobile
Genetic Elements, 1983

--- end quoting McGraw-Hill Encycl. of Science & Tech. 1992 ---

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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

I want to thank the people of the Dartmouth Hitchcock Medical School
for presenting a movie series this term of a movie on every Wedn night
at 7 PM. They were comemorating its 200 ? year history or something
like that.  That was a nice entertainment for me. Yesterday, 5Mar I
saw
their last film of ANDROMEDA STRAIN and thanks for the refreshments
given out. I had seen this movie before but this second time around
was
better, and I suppose it was better because of the theories I have on
viruses that viruses are essential to species and that viruses are not
to be considered as parasites but as integral part of the human
genome.
So I have a different outlook on this movie.
The film series was good because they presented films I had never
seen before. The Louis Pasteur film and the Philadelphia (Tom Hanks
lost 50 lbs to make it look realistic , but, imho, he still looked too
fat for the part, his neck was too fat -- good movie though) and
Camille and the movie on Walter Reed with the yellow jack.

If my theories are correct or even partially correct, means that we
have to view viruses much different. My theories are.

      Mutations = viruses

      Cancer = most diseases = aging = Virus protein missile sent to
kill host at a exact time

      Viruses are integral part of a species genome

      1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos = perfect DNA/RNA

Humanity views viruses as almost alien parasites that can only do
harm and damage. I say with the above ideas, that viruses are part and
parcel of the DNA in our own bodies and that viruses are not our
enemies but more like our internal alarm clocks sounding off. A better
view of them is that we would not be here if not for viruses for I
suspect that if all viruses that are connected to humans were to be
destroyed, humanity would also be gone.

I think the science of Military and government concerning alien
deadly viruses as in this movie Andromeda Strain are far-fetched,
overblown and worse, a money waste. I think that every outer space
mission ought to do without these contamination procedures. I think
the
only time contamination procedures are wise is only in the event of
contacting aliens who resemble us. But going to the Moon or Mars or
one
of the satellites of Jupiter and returning to Earth and go through all
that safety decontamination is a joke. Money thrown out the window.
Earth in its revolution around the Sun encounters alien carbon every
day and yet few people are concerned and they should _not_ be
concerned
because if my theory is at all correct means that viruses are a genome
specific entity. They live only because we live and vice versa.

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DNA = less perfect photon = a photon when stopped

Photons have a very tiny rest mass and when stopped are living DNA
DNA = 1 photon

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NEW SCIENTIST 28OCT95, page19

titled: "Low life would be at home on Mars"

--- quoted in parts ---
HOPES of finding life on Mars have been given an unlikely fillip by
the discovery on Earth of bacteria . . . existing on a diet of nothing
but rock and water.
. . . Instead, they get their energy from chemical reactions between
rock and water.
. . . Using nothing but water from the deep aquifers and sterile
crushed basalt, Stevens and McKinley cultured thriving bacterial
communities in the laboratory.  . . . Iron-rich silicates in the
basalts break down spontaneiously in the presence of water to release
hydrogen gas. The bactereia may use this to convert dissolved carbon
dioxide, or another carbon source in the water, into methane gas. The
reaction yields energy which the bacteria use to grow and to
synthesize
organic compounds, says Stevens.
.... "All the ingredients should be present in subsurface Mars,"
Stevens says.
.... But just how bacteria could get deep into the Columbia River
basalt-- let alone subsurface Mars-- is still a profound mystery.
--- end of quoting NS ---

The steps of progression from methane to DNA or RNA are immense and
improbable.

The steps of progression from even oil, where methane is physically
turned into oil and the oil turned into DNA or RNA are immense and
improbable.

In fact, there is no organic compound formed by purely physical or
mechanical means which, within them, are close enough steps into being
turned into DNA or RNA. There is nothing in the physical world which
has a pattern like DNA and RNA except for light waves. In the Stanley
Miller experiments of simulating primordial environment of hydrogen,
water, methane, and ammonia atmosphere and subjecting lightning
simulations (electric discharge) into the beaker of brew misses the
greatest point itself. Life is in the photons themselves. Energetic
photons, zip and undress out of sheer sleek bathrobes  forming 1/2
photons which are neutrinos and then reform into photons. You
certainly
realize photons are bosonic meaning they pile up on top of one another
performing their bare Pocahontas rain dance and thus first life
probabilities are enhanced. (BTW, have not seen Pocahontas and doubt I
will, too little science content and I have only 30 years of good life
remaining.)

 But the story does not end there, because the piled-up photons
acting bosonic perform their get-together inside of something like a
coat or coating, something that captures piling up photons. Perhaps an
oil drop or what are some of the most primitive virus coats? Which
brings to mind an important feature to study if the DNA + RNA =
photons
theory is correct. And I am sure it is after some minor changes.
Study and observe coats or coatings such as bacteria or viruses. Are
there any photosynthetic viruses? Good question for the experts,
instead of spending their time building killfiles. Study the coatings
for what species were the first life forms. And it probably is true
that the first life forms are no longer extant and their traits are
unrecognizable by all of our present life forms. If DNA = photons is
true then virtually every planet with lightning or energetic cosmic
rays has primitive life because all first life is merely the "stoping"
inside a container such as a coating and those piled-up photons become
a DNA or RNA. Thus it is very important to observe coatings. And as
Shakespeare wrote "Beauty is skin deep".

If First Life = DNA + RNA = photons + neutrinos theory is true then
the first life would have been photosynthetic itself and not some
creature which had to eat on its chemical surroundings. First life
from
photons would grow and live from photons themselves and we have plenty
of Sun light. Thus first life in this photon theory of mine was a
plant
like organism, say green algae. What is the most primitive algae coats
and can they trap light well?
You see, photons are a near perfect DNA and RNA, and when photons are
piled up and trapped they decay into a "still" photon which is DNA and
a very crude and primitive photon that is DNA. You see, in this way I
have reduced that "immense and improbability" gap between what is
living of DNA and the next closest thing which is nonliving. I have
made the improbable now the probable by saying that photons themselves
are just perfect DNA at a high speed, but when superposed by many and
trapped, then photons form DNA itself.

 I lightened up in my above account in order that High School readers
can understand me well.

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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

It is really amazing to me that the sci.physics regulars know almost
nothing about the history of the 1 photon = 2 neutrino issue. I have
now posted intermittently for a year on that debate wanting to know
the
exact journal issues and what the Pryce objection was. Zilch reply.
So,
here we go again and until I get the information, more.

Some ask me why I want to make the photon = 2 neutrinos and my answer
is that superconductivity is explained and it is too beautiful to not
be true.

I hear that Debroglie wanted to make 1 photon = 2 neutrinos, why did
he want to do that? Anyone.

Debroglie mentioned his 1 photon = 2 neutrinos in his MATTER & LIGHT.
But I hear he published his views in Comptes Rendes circa 1932. Anyone
have the exact publication? Anyone have a synopsis of what Debroglie
was on about?

Kronig pushed further the idea 1 photon = 2 neutrinos around 1935 in
Physica, a Dutch journal. Anyone have the specifics?

Then, M.H.L. Pryce circa 1938 in Proceedings of Royal Society
objected to the 1 photon = 2 neutrino schemes of Debroglie and Kronig.
From what I hear it has something to do with cylindrical symmetry
preservation. Is this true? Something to do with the helicity of the
photon after being built from 2 neutrinos. Something about "if the
case
of 1 photon = 2 neutrinos, then there would be vector perpendicular to
the direction of propagation. The point at issue is that in this plane
that is perpendicular that not all directions are the same. There are
some preferred directions which cause the loss of cylindrical symmetry
for the photon.

Surely in the sci.physics hierarchy someone ought to have this
knowledge on the tip of their head? And having asked the above for
exact references should not be a test to sci.hierarchy. Although I
suspect that very few physics doctorates could satisfactorily answer
why 1 photon could or could not equal 2 neutrinos.
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Subject: First Life; DNA + RNA = cavitated electrons
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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

At this point I still go with DNA/RNA = 1 photon = 2 neutrinos.
Although a different version of this idea is DNA/RNA = cavitated
electrons.

The reason I prefer the photon scenario is because the first form of
DNA/RNA would live off of "eating" other light rays from the Sun, in
other words be photosynthetic.

But a case can be made that the moving electrons since they are known
to have rest mass would be confined, cavitated, and if enough were
cavitated that they would form into a Natural Machine. In this way the
electrons would be the "most perfect DNA" and that when electrons are
sufficiently cavitated and at rest, they revert into a the crudeness
of
living DNA.

My main point here is that the huge gulf, the huge gap between DNA
and what is "not living" seems too difficult to bridge by Natural
physical means or processes. Too improbable to span. One can visualize
a river carrying away sediments and eroding to form something like the
Grand Canyon, but noone on Earth can visualize any physical process
which step by step leads to the forming of the first DNA. This is why
I
am saying that DNA equal either photons or electrons. Instead of
looking for bridging that huge chasm of physical means of building up
DNA stepwise, I am going the other direction and looking into physics
for what is closest to DNA  which is photons/ electrons and going
backwards with it saying that when photons/electrons are mechanically
confined, that they degress, not progress, and they fall back from
their perfect DNA into primitive DNA which is living DNA.
DNA is just a memory molecule and a photon is a transverse wave where
the electric and magnetic component are the memory.

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Subject: Re: DNA = 1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos,Debroglie,Kronig, and Pryce
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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

I would like to get a concise and accurate accounting of this history
for my intuition tells me that it is correct that the photon = 2
neutrinos and that where Debroglie wanted the neutrino + antineutrino
=
the same energy and same momentum of the photon. Debroglie, I suspect
wanted the physics beauty of all things made up of fermions. I am sure
Debroglie was correct and that his 1 photon = 2 neutrinos will be
vindicated. And I am sure Debroglie would have praised my Hyasys
theory
that all matter is made up of Hydrogen Atom Systems, and even the
Strong Nuclear force is just hyasys.

I just wonder if a poll was conducted of all physics professors how
many of them could even speak about the issue starting 1932 " IS the
photon composed of 2 neutrinos?" question. Or are virtually all
physics
professors deaf dumb and silent on this important issue?

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Subject: Re: DNA = 1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos,Debroglie,Kronig, and Pryce
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Archimedes.Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

 Was the neutrino by Pauli proclaimed in 1932? Did Pauli's neutrino
come before or after L. Debroglie published his 1932 paper where he
wanted to make the photon out of two fermions. Was Debroglie driven by
pure beauty that light is the only stable boson and so it too decays
into 2 fermions. And that all is made up of fermions unification.  I
am
asking what drove Debroglie into the wanting to make the photon out of
composite particles.

 L. Debroglie, COMPTES RENDUS ACADEMIE SCI., 195  page 862, 1932

R. Kronig,  PHYSICA, vol 2, page 491, 1935

 Pryce,  PROCEEDINGS OF ROYAL SOCIETY OF LONDON, vol A165, page 247,
1938

The history is well summarized by Berezinskii in the JOURNAL OF
EXPERIMENTAL AND THEORETICAL PHYSICS JETP, vol 24, page 927, 1965. Dr.
Berezinskii gives the history of this issue. Concerning Pryce's
objection Berezinskii states " What Pryce showed is the
incompatibility
of the statistical properties with invariance relative to a certain
group of axial rotations. "

 I do not buy Pryce's objection and am sure that his objections are
easily surmounted.

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Subject: Re: First life; DNA + RNA = 1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos;
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sarfatti@ix.netcom.com (Jack Sarfatti ) wrote:

"Algebraic Model for the Evolution of the Genetic Code", Hornos and
Hornos,
(husband and wife team) Phys Rev Lett Vol 71 Number 26, Dec 27th 1993,
p4401.
Keep in mind that this is the first paper in a completely new field,
so there
is much work to be done and some aspects of this paper are "hand-
waving". There
have been more recent advances by others which are not published yet;)
--
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Subject: Re: First life; DNA + RNA = 1 Photon = 2 Neutrinos; 1st
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Greg Trayling (traylin@server.uwindsor.ca> writes:

 Thanks Greg, I will have to look these up. Reading your above made
me think that until recent we have viewed DNA as the simplist of
machine of life. That of all the Natural machines of physics none is
as
complex as the DNA machine, except if you make the assertion that
light
itself is a supped-up, a near perfect DNA itself. And when light is
contained or confined in some sort of coat or sphere or grain cavity
that light can rested into a primitive entity, that being DNA.
 Looking for the first life, we quickly see the huge gap from the
complex DNA and the simple natural processes of physics. Seeing that
the math numbers of probability are so large against the formation of
DNA from physical means. I have taken a round-about approach. I have
claimed that physics must not all be exponentially more simple in
design than is the simplest of life-- DNA. Thus I claim that photons
or
light waves are actually highly complex and way more complex than DNA,
Thus, taking photons as having the encoding of DNA within its own
particle, I immediately bridge that improbable mathematics gap of life
forming from simple natural physics machines.
 And the bonus of DNA = photons is that life and biology are physics,
no more is there a dividing and separation of the two sciences. They
blend into one another just as Quantum Mechanics made chemistry and
physics blend together.

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park@irsun117.ifp.fr (Anthony PARK) wrote:

In a way, yes. The symmetry breaking in the RNA codon assignments
allows
the introduction of new amino acids. How they come into being and find
a purpose to serve is somewhat of a mystery, but the model provides a
rough basis for their introduction.

I said the 'closest', didn't I?
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Plutonium@dartmouth.edu (Archimedes Plutonium) writes:

DNA is not made up of strands of RNA.  They are distinct chemical
compounds,
and the distinction is based the presence (in RNA) or absense (in DNA)
of a
hydroxl group at the  2' position of the  ribose sugar portion of the
molecule.

DNA exists in nature in both single and double stranded forms, and RNA
exists
in nature in both single and double stranded forms.  Neither is "made
up of"
the other.

Kurt Bray

Unification of biology with physics; life on Mars
DNA/RNA = photon, neutrino unifies biology with physics
DNA/RNA = photon, neutrino unifies biology with physics
by Archimedes Plutonium
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DNA/RNA = photon, neutrino models the inner workings of
the photon, the neutrino and the Coulomb Interaction

Only way to bridge the complexity gap between nonliving
and living is to make the photon a miniaturized perfect
DNA where the photon is two copies of 2 neutrinos

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In am studying Pryce's Theorem which objects to the Debroglie and
Kronig 2 neutrinos = 1 photon. I am studying Soviet Physics JETP
volume
24, Number 5, May 1965 titled PRYCE'S THEOREM AND THE NEUTRINO THEORY
OF PHOTONS written by V.S. Berezinskii of the P.N. Lebedev Physical
Institute

--- opening summary quoted ---

Recently possibilities have been found and widely discussed by which
it would seem that one avoids the difficulty in the neutrino theory of
photons which was pointed out by Pryce. In the present paper it is
proved in general form that for free fields and arbitrary N-particle
states the requirements of invariance under space rotations, of
statistics, and of genuine neutrality are incompatible for a compound
photon (Pryce's theorem). The proof presented here takes in all of the
constructions that have been suggested recently.

--- end of quoting Berezinskii's opening summary ---

Before I get much further I must overcome the Pryce objection. I feel
this will be easy.

As for the complaint that DNA or RNA energy are so much more complex
than photon energy is unfounded. In 1993, it was reported on Internet
from Berkeley that the record energetic particle ever observed was
10^14 MEV cosmic particle  detected by Fly's Eye. Later in 1994, the
record was broken further by a particle detected again by Fly's Eye
with  10^16 MEV cosmic particle. A particle of such massive energy
could be an entire living organism when stopped.

My driving concern with the hypothesis of DNA = 1 photon = 2 neutrinos
is this: the transition of complexity from nonliving to the simpliest
living which is DNA is too far of a gap of probability complexity.
However the most complex nonliving Natural System is the energetic
photon. Take an energetic photon of magnetic and electric strips and
geometry more complex than even DNA. Such a comparison of complexities
and the DNA actually looks like a primitive string up against the more
complex and perhaps near perfect photon string.

Thus, by math logic I destroy the grasping of improbable chance
occurrences of the formation of the first DNA by saying that DNA was
always around in photons structure. This is esthetically pleasing also
for it connects physics to biology entirely. If DNA = 1 photon means
that life and all of biology is physics. I can not see any other
unifying links to connect biology to physics except for this DNA =
photon.

Back to studying Pryce
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I need to know something about DNA. I need to know in how many ways
is DNA geometrically decomposable naturally. I cannot define naturally
at this point. I cannot detail it much at this moment. I know only
what
direction I am in search of. What I am after is that if photon =
perfected DNA/RNA, and if photon = 2 neutrinos would suggest that,
putting those two ideas together that DNA would be decomposible
naturally in two ways. I suppose the meiosis cleavage indicates that
the DNA is naturally geometrically split in half. I am looking to
biology to offer insights into the internal order of a photon. Any DNA
experts out there who know of DNA geometry and its possible
compounding
from substructure?

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