Seeking clarification in understanding genetic concepts
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Sky Fly - 15 Apr 2004 20:26 GMT Hello all,
I'm trying to understand about genetic engineering by reading the relevant articles on www.wikipedia.org, but I'm having some difficulty.
First of all, there's the article on genomes, where it says:
"In biology, the genome of an organism is a complete DNA sequence of one set of chromosomes..."
For me, this means that each genome will be different for each person. But I know that recently, there has been a project going on to describe the "human genome". I assume that this cannot then refer to a single person, but then how possible is it to arrive at a 'generic genome' for all of humanity?
Also, I've been trying to understand meiosis. Am I correct in saying that this only happens when sperm or egg cells are being made? At what time in a human beings life would this be - is this a continuous process, or a one off? I ask, because I seem to recall reading that a woman has all the eggs that she will ever produce when she is born.
Also, am I right in saying that each of these reproductive cells has a different combination of genetic material from the person that produces it, depending on which of the 23 chromosomes is selected from either his mother's chromosome set or his father's chromosome set and on the effects of 'crossing over' during meiosis? How much 'crossing over' actually takes place - does it occur at multiple points in each chromosome?
Thanks in advance for any answers or confirmations.
-- Akin
aknak at aksoto dot idps dot co dot uk
r norman - 15 Apr 2004 20:58 GMT >Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Thanks in advance for any answers or confirmations. "The" human genome is a misnomer, as you say, because everybody does have slight differences. However, the overall structure of the genome is the same for everybody. The idea is to understand just what genes are present at what locations and what all the other stuff is that does not seem to be involved in coding. The exact form of each gene is less important.
You are also right about meiosis. In animals, it is only involved in the production of eggs and sperm. For humans, girls seem to be born with all the eggs they will ever make arrested early in meiosis. In fact, the second cell division isn't really complete until after the sperm has fertilized the egg! Males work a bit differently. In males, meiosis begins at puberty and then continues at a fairly high rate, gradually diminishing with age. Other animals work differently. And other organisms like fungi and work even more differently.
You are also right about genetic variability in the sperm and eggs. Each one has a different set of alleles, depending on which of the paired chromosomes happens to be selected. Crossover is very frequent. Ordinarily there are one or more crossover events that happen on every chromosome. Of course, the bigger chromosomes end up with more crossovers than the smaller ones. The total length of the human genome is about 3000 centimorgans, where 1 centimorgan represents a 1% chance of crossover. Therefore you can expect an average of about 30 crossovers to occur in each meiotic division. Since there are 23 chromosomes, this averages to just over one per chromosome. Crossover can happen all along the chromosome, but there seem to be "hot spots" where crossover is more likely.
Sky Fly - 15 Apr 2004 22:04 GMT Hello R Norman,
Thank you very much for your answers to my question.
> "The" human genome is a misnomer, as you say, because everybody does > have slight differences. However, the overall structure of the genome > is the same for everybody. The idea is to understand just what genes > are present at what locations and what all the other stuff is that > does not seem to be involved in coding. The exact form of each gene is > less important. I still need to clarify something here, though. You say:
"The idea is to understand just what genes are present at what locations."
My understanding of genes is that they represent an encoding for proteins. I assume that these proteins will be used to make different parts of the body. But since each person's body is different, surely that means that there will be different proteins? For example, the proteins needed to make a blue iris will be different from that used to make a brown iris. Or am I misunderstanding something here? Could it be that the genes are the *same* in all cases, but they differ in *form*, as you said? If so, how would this difference show up - what possible variations in the form of genes are there?
While on the topic of genes in the DNA of a cell, if each cell has exactly the same copy of DNA, does this mean that not *all* the genes in the DNA are used by the cell in making its protein? It seems to me then that it would be more efficient for each cell just to have the genes it needs, but then again, I guess that's how the dice have been thrown in the evolution of the species.
Thanks once more,
-- Akin
aknak at aksoto dot idps dot co dot uk
r norman - 16 Apr 2004 04:32 GMT >Hello R Norman, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >Thanks once more, I was trying to avoid using the word "alleles", not knowing just how elementary or advanced your study is so far. The idea is that each gene is a specific location (gene locus) on a chromosome that codes for a particular protein. (That is a drastically out-of-date and oversimplified notion of a gene, but that is a different story). However the genes can differ in form, giving different alleles for each gene. So we all have genes for eye color, but some have the alleles that produce a lot of pigment and have dark eyes while some have alleles that produce much less pigment and have light colored eyes. The difference, of course, is in the details of the genetic code and therefore in the sequence of amino acid in the protein. Still, the overall structure of the gene is so similar and the number of agreements in the genetic code so overwhelmingly larger than the number of changes, that the code for one individual is a good start to understanding things. For eye color, the protein is one that is involved in producing the dark pigment. If you have a mutation in that gene, the defective protein can synthesize the pigment so your eyes don't have any -- they look blue. (Again, an oversimplification, but it illustrates the point).
As someone else has pointed out, the variations between humans are really quite trivial compared with the enormous similarities. For example, I am now looking at the set of wood chairs around my dining room table. They look identical. However a close inspection shows that the pattern of wood grain differs from chair to chair. Each chair is, in a sense, unique. So which is it? Are the chairs really the same or are they really different? Think of the variations between individuals like the variation in the grain. The initial goal of the genome project is to get an idea of what shape and size the chairs are, to see how the structure of the seat and the back and the arms and the legs serves the function of being a chair. Meanwhile, people are starting to look at the fine details, the grain structure. The details are of great medical importance, just as the grain pattern might influence the strength of that section of wood.
The terminology is confusing. Everyone has the same "eye color genes". However, different people have different alleles for eye color, different forms of those genes.
Your second question is about every cell having all the genes to make every kind of cell. You are again correct: in each cell only a fraction of the genes are expressed. Each cell type expresses a different set of genes. The mechanism to switch genes on and off is really the key to understanding how the genome functions. One way of turning genes on and off is by binding proteins to them. Another way is to modify them chemically (methylation). It is one thing just to make a list of all the proteins that a cell can possibly make. It is a very different thing to make a list of which proteins any specific cell makes at any particular point in the life of the organism. That is the move from genomics to proteonics. We are really just beginning to understand that story. The next ten to twenty years should be very exciting on that perspective!
It really would be a mess to try to isolate just which genes any cell would need. Besides, many genes are not needed all the time but might be very important sometime later for that cell. So it is simply a lot simpler and easier for every cell to have all the genes, but just shut off the unused ones.
edens morgan mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges - 15 Apr 2004 21:08 GMT > For me, this means that each genome will be different for each > person. But I know that recently, there has been a project going on yes excepting things like twins and clones everythings genome is probably unique
however the variations are usually very very small
also for each species each gene is usually one of small and limited set so that after examining a handful of samples you should be able to get all the genes and variations of the genes
we now have the genome of about ten people and much of the current research is in identifyinh and cataloging variant genes that result in disease and disability in additional populations
> Also, I've been trying to understand meiosis. Am I correct in saying > that this only happens when sperm or egg cells are being made? > At what time in a human beings life would this be - is this a > continuous process, or a one off? I ask, because I seem to recall > reading that a woman has all the eggs that she will ever produce > when she is born. meiois occurs shortly before the sperm or egg are produced from nursery cells in the testes or ovaries
it has been long thought that women were born with all their cells that generate egg
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