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Natural Science Forum / Biology / Botany / July 2008a field entirely in clover, how to get it and keep it; experiment
This experiment started in 2004 and so it is 4 years old now. I have a good size field and seeded it in clover instead in 2004. We had a wet spring one year and I thought it would kill the clover since it was underwater for about a month, but it seems to have recovered. I would say that about 20% of the field is now solid in clover. It seems to take over in clumps or patches. What I am doing is mowing around the patches of solid clover, in hopes that it will go to seed and fill in the entire rest of the field. Is that a good idea? Or will clover spread faster if I mowed it oblivious to the clover? Sometimes plants lose their vitality once they gone to seed. Maybe clover is one of those plants that spreads faster if not gone to seed. Does anyone have a yard or field that is solid clover? I know farmers have fields solid in alfalfa, so why not solid in clover? I do not know what the artistic value of clover is, but it certainly seems to be one of the prettiest green plants, whether it is the dark green or the round shape or the general form of clover, but something makes it a pretty green plant. So I am the only one striving to have a entire field of clover or does some gardens in England or Europe have attained entire fields of clover? Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies I thought I better post to sci.agriculture for they may know more. plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > This experiment started in 2004 and so it is 4 years old now. I have a > good size field and seeded it [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > general form of clover, but > something makes it a pretty green plant. Perhaps clover is the leaf that has the closest to being a "circle" or perhaps it is the darkness of its green leaf with a splotch of white that makes it pretty. > Perhaps (sic) I am the only one striving to have a entire field of clover or does > some gardens in England > or Europe have attained entire fields of clover? What I like to know is how to make the field overcome in clover, whether letting it go to seed favors the clover, or am I best to mow it. Archimedes Plutonium www.iw.net/~a_plutonium whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies On May 22, 6:10 pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > What I like to know is how to make the field overcome in clover, > whether letting it > go to seed favors the clover, or am I best to mow it. There are different types of clover; however generally speaking, cutting about 6 inches above the ground favors clover at the detriment of grass. With an annual clover it is best to stop mowing once the seed pods start to form so your clover will reseed. Small grains and even some vegetables can be grown in a field of clover without ploughing. The grains, barley, wheat, etc. will just grow through the cover of clover. Dieter Brand.Die...@gmail.com wrote: > On May 22, 6:10�pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > > What I like to know is how to make the field overcome in clover, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dieter Thanks for the advice. I never realized that a crop can grow right through a clover cover. That sounds like the most perfect form of agriculture where the clover stops erosion, stops ploughing and adds fertilizer to the crop. Yes, I would think that is the maximum agriculture. To gain a field in clover and then plant a crop. Never ploughing and never needing to fertilize. About the only thing to do is to mow between the crop rows. I hate to mow through my clover which is almost knee deep. Dieter, a further question. Can you recommend a species of clover which is the most tough and long lasting of the clovers? Is it a white clover? What is the most durable clovers? On May 23, 12:47 am, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > Brand.Die...@gmail.com wrote: > > On May 22, 6:10�pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The last year I experiment with bersem clover in my field and in my clay land find that if is the first time work best if you plow the land in such way become aerate and inoculate the seed to get nitrogen from the air that breath the plant. I expect you not have pressure of grass of other weed that can compete with this seed and win. And you must expect one rain period that can maintain wet the superficies of the land for more of tree days . (Excuse my English) Javier H. Davila G.G. N.L. Mexico > The last year I experiment with bersem clover in my field and in my > clay land find that if is the first time work best if you plow the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > G.G. N.L. Mexico Thanks for the information. It led me to arrowhead clover or Berseem which led me to this website: http://overton.tamu.edu/clover/cool/species.htm According to them, white clover is better suited for the colder climate here in South Dakota and also white clover reseeds very high. Tell me Javier, since I have never collected the seeds of clover. Does clover have one seed crop per year? When does the seed mature? How will I know the seed is mature? And when can I collect and gather the seed? This clover seed collecting is a new experience for me. Thanks in advance for any answers. On May 26, 1:01 pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > > The last year I experiment with bersem clover in my field and in my > > clay land find that if is the first time work best if you plow the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > This clover seed collecting is a new experience for me. > Thanks in advance for any answers. I don’t know about the seeds, always buy it, you can expriment with the cut of the clover, if you made it short you can kill them but if you let them enough long then survive and the roots go deeper in the land, improving the structure that is one excellent goal to get. You can find lot of information in the publication -managing cover crops profitably- made one search of this. Javier H. Davila (Excuse my English) GG NL Mexico I include some photos of cover crops that seed in my field, you can see the size of the hairy vetch in the photo 05 in one part of the field that was ploughed, and how the clover not grow enough in the photos 12 and 13, don’t know if not receive enough water of the rain or not breathe for the compacted soil în this place. http://www.flickr.com/photos/13735317@N00/sets/ (Excuse my English) Javier H. Davila GG NL Mex. > I include some photos of cover crops that seed in my field, you can > see the size of the hairy vetch in the photo 05 in one part of the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Javier H. Davila > GG NL Mex. Thanks for the photo tour. I should some day set up my website to show pictures of interest. I liked your vetch flowering, pretty flower. Say, Javier, would you happen to know when clover seed is mature? I keep checking for some "solid granular hard seed" so far only soft brown dying flower. Also, have you ever done any grafting of trees? > Say, Javier, would you happen to know when clover seed is mature? I > keep checking for some > "solid granular hard seed" so far only soft brown dying flower. > > Also, have you ever done any grafting of trees? With the weeds, I often brush in the palm of the hands some flowers that suspect have seeds and that appear., that must work for the clover. Don’t have experience with grafting, some with avocado, is necessary the skin of the tree and the graft be in contact, as the important thing I remember. thanks for see the photos. (Excuse my English) Javier H. Davila GG NL Mex. (snipped) Hi Javier, do you grow strawberries down there? Or is it too hot for strawberries in Mexico? On Jul 16, 11:25 pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Javier, do you grow strawberries down there? Or is it too hot for > strawberries in Mexico? I have not cultivated strawberries. I'm in a learning period in which attempt to connect agriculture with the factor economic, I have a lot of time in this (more than 10 years), I found and read that it is not possible because the market is changing so that I can not understand. As well try to include other factors such as Organic Agriculture and conservation of the soil. (I have not been yet certify, I hope I do when economically feasible), . And I see that very far. Now I would just like to emotionally stabilize the frustrations that I have expriment. I learn English of one dictionary that is why I apologize if sometimes I can not express myself properly. Javier H. Davila > On Jul 16, 11:25�pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Javier H. Davila Any nut trees in your region that are native? Is the Pinyon Pine with pinenuts grow there? On May 23, 1:47 am, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: > Brand.Die...@gmail.com wrote: > > On May 22, 6:10�pm, plutonium.archime...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > What is > the most durable clovers? Experimenting with activated teas. Whatever microbes are present in healthy clumps of clover can be multiplied astronomically by dumping a couple of generous handfuls of soil into a bucket of chlorine-free water with a shot of molasses or other sugar source. Aerate with an aquarium stone for several days, then dilute and apply to the field to be inoculated. I figure teas for specific plants can be brewed just by using samples of the appropriate humus as the base. |
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