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Corner-Edge-HCP dense packing in physics or chemistry? osmium? #665     new book 2nd edition: New True Mathematics

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Archimedes Plutonium - 02 Jul 2009 10:59 GMT
Now what happens if given a specific cube or square where
the staggered packing in hex or hexagonal-close-packing
ends up with the top layer as being filled such as in the below
illustration:

OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO

Where you cannot scoot over to the rightmost and have
an empty space on the leftmost.

Well the solution is really simple as shown by the X.

OOOOOOOOOO
XOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOO

In that situation we scoot over to the rightmost corner the
2nd layer before the topmost layer and then fill that X mark
with another circle or in the case of 3D, fill an entire row of
more spheres.

So we have two cases of scooting over. We have this situation

OOOO
OOOOO

or we have this situation

OOOOO
OOOO

In the first case we scoot over the topmost layer and add one
more circle in the second case we scoot over the second to
topmost layer and thus provide the empty room for a added
circle, or for a entire row of spheres in 3D.

Now the above maximum density by Corner-Edge-HCP is
larger in density than the HCP-alone.

Now I know of examples in Nature of packing oranges or
golf balls or tennis balls in boxes wherein Corner-Edge-HCP
is applied. We can do it any day of the year if we have the
materials.

But I wonder if Nature has Corner-Edge-HCP within the fundamental
particles of physics and chemistry, in atoms and in molecules.

Do we see any signs of Corner-Edge-HCP versus HCP-alone
in physics or chemistry?

How would we recognize it?

Well one way is to see signs that a object is more dense at
one end of the object than anyplace else and has an overall
HCP packing.

I remember a box of oranges that was packed full and nested
in hollows and was more dense at the top, but did not inspect
why it was such.

In chemistry the most dense element is osmium or iridium. A toss
up between the two. Now I wonder if both are HCP packed?
And I wonder if one of them maybe Corner-Edge-HCP whereas
the other is not and thus the one more dense than the other
only slightly so.

Now I wonder in physics of its particles whether there are two
particles one of which seems to be slightly more dense than the
other? Yet both are known to be HCP packed?

So I wonder if Nature in physics or chemistry has some examples
of the HCP-alone packed and another that is slightly more dense
in a corner as Corner-Edge-HCP.

I rather doubt that packing of oranges or tennis balls is the only
places in Nature where a packing can occur of this maximum packing.
If something exists as a maximum it is likely to show up not just
in humanmade conditions but rather shows up in chemistry and
physics also.

Archimedes Plutonium
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whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Archimedes Plutonium - 02 Jul 2009 11:16 GMT
> Now what happens if given a specific cube or square where
> the staggered packing in hex or hexagonal-close-packing
[quoted text clipped - 89 lines]
> in humanmade conditions but rather shows up in chemistry and
> physics also.

Now I wonder if in biology for the need of maximum storage space that
the Corner-Edge-HCP shows up, where you have a HCP stacking.

The DNA and RNA of living creatures needs maximum density for
storage space. So I wonder if Corner-Edge-HCP shows up in
viruses that are so small yet require the internals to do a wide
range of operations. So density would have a key role.

Is not the DNA double helix a hexagonal close packing of the
genome? And if so is there a corner which seems to have
the largest density?

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Archimedes Plutonium - 02 Jul 2009 18:18 GMT
Alright, I looked to see what the current status of density is on
osmium versus
iridium.

--- quoting Wikipedia ---
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmium
Osmium is an extremely dense, blue-gray, hard but brittle metal that
remains lustrous even at high temperatures. Due to its hardness,
brittleness, and very high melting point (the tenth highest of all
elements), solid osmium is difficult to machine, form, or work. Osmium
is generally considered to be the densest known element, narrowly
defeating iridium.[2] Calculations of density from the space lattice
may produce the most reliable data for these elements, giving a
density of 22.562±0.009 g/cm3 for iridium versus 22.587±0.009 g/cm3
for osmium.[3] The extraordinary density of osmium is a consequence of
the lanthanide contraction.[3]
--- end quoting ---

The crystal structure of Osmium is listed as "hexagonal" and the
crystal structure of Iridium is listed as "face centered cubic".
Now that means both are really hexagonal because FCC is just
a look at HCP from a different angle. Both have density of 74%.

What is different is that chemistry and physics experiments turn up
with a measurement that slightly favors osmium in density over
iridium.

So, with the new-found discovery of Corner-Edge-Hexagonal packing
versus the Hexagonal-alone packing that the former has a slightly more
dense packing.

So I wonder, if the reason that osmium is this slightly more dense
element
than is iridium is for the specific reason as this illustration shows:

Corner-Edge-Hexagonal:

XOOOOOO
OOOOOOO
OOOOOO
OOOOOOO

Hexagonal-alone:

OOOOOO
OOOOOOO
OOOOOO
OOOOOOO

You see, at the end of stacking, if the elevation of the layers is
such that there
is a tiny bit more room and thus lift up the entire last layer
(sometimes
the secondmost last layer) and scoot them
over rightwardmost leaving a entire row empty on the leftmost side of
the crystal
and thus increasing the density by an entire row of atoms.

So, is Osmium a Corner-Edge-Hexagonal Packed crystal containing an
entire
row more of osmium atoms whereas Iridium is a Hexagonal-alone crystal
that
is barren of that extra row in a corner-edge??

This maybe easy to check, and validate if true, in that Corner-Edge-
Hexagonal
density would have a pecular "localized density at one of its corner
edges."
This favored corner edge is where the extra row of atoms would lie.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Archimedes Plutonium - 04 Jul 2009 06:26 GMT
> Alright, I looked to see what the current status of density is on
> osmium versus
[quoted text clipped - 65 lines]
> edges."
> This favored corner edge is where the extra row of atoms would lie.

If memory is correct we can do X-ray diffraction patterns and where
the dots show where an atom is located. Can these diffraction patterns
discern whether osmium has one extra row per volume than does
iridium?

I want to find an example of Corner-edge-Hexagonal compared to
Hexagonal-alone.

Has anyone noticed something strange in the diffraction pattern of
osmium?

And perhaps in cold-physics of of near absolute zero, has anyone
noticed
something strange about the crystal lattice that seems to show one
more
row than expected to show?

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Y.Porat - 04 Jul 2009 08:34 GMT
On Jul 4, 7:26 am, Archimedes Plutonium
<plutonium.archime...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Alright, I looked to see what the current status of density is on
> > osmium versus
[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
> whole entire Universe is just one big atom
> where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

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see table No 2 in my abstract:!!!

look for In idnium

http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract

you should know that there are many kinds of molecules  (lattice
units  )
there is the most abundant one hexagonal
with 6 atoms in a unit
buit there are more denseones
like the irin with 2 additionals
acording to mytable it is with 6 Atoms
but each 'building stone' is of one atom
instead of 2 in the iron
etc etc
it is a whole   world for itself to learn about it
but the botom line should be surprizing!!

all Atoms are more or less
or practically   the same volume !!
soitis far more going conclusions

THERE ARE NO MANY 'SHLEELS' THAT ARE CLOSER OR MORE DISTANT FROM THE
NUC !!!

ATB
Y.Porat
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