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Jo Schaper - 04 Jul 2008 18:58 GMT
In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
Originally designed to detect motion and lift drive heads from disks,
Daniel Griscom of Suitable Systems in Wakefield Massachusetts has
written software to visualize machine motion. After consulting with
IRIS, he rewrote the software, and added SeisMaCalibrate to increase the
accuracy of the graph. In 2007, Quake Catcher Network was set up in
Calif to coordinate data from computer accelerometers.

Ms. Rossbacher, who is president of Southern Polytechnic State U in
Marietta, Ga., reports that since a highspeed network travels faster
than seismic waves, the possibility of an early warning system from an
already integrated network may be possible. Apparently, UC-San Diego has
written some software called iSeismograph, which uses the iSight camera
to record the data.

It's a novel idea. Of course, there needs to be a way to weed out data
from those times when you really *do* drop the laptop.
Weatherlawyer - 04 Jul 2008 19:05 GMT
> In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
> reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> It's a novel idea. Of course, there needs to be a way to weed out data
> from those times when you really *do* drop the laptop.

Since the idea is to park the HHD heads, it won't be easy. Not for the
quakes that count.
George - 04 Jul 2008 20:22 GMT
>> In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
>> reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Since the idea is to park the HHD heads, it won't be easy. Not for the
> quakes that count.

Apple could eliminate the need for this feature if they switched to
(admittedly more expensive) ram drives.  Hey, they are supposed to be top -
o - the - line, aren't they?

George
Timberwoof - 05 Jul 2008 01:14 GMT
> >> In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
> >> reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> (admittedly more expensive) ram drives.  Hey, they are supposed to be top -
> o - the - line, aren't they?

Hey, that's an astonishingly good idea! Since the resulting MacBook
would be a lot lighter and thinner, they could call it the MacBook Air,
and Steve could introduce it by bringing a manila envelope with him
onstage, and pull the Air out of it. Why don't you send Steve an email
with your suggestion?

Woh! Too late! He already thought of that:
http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

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George - 05 Jul 2008 02:39 GMT
>> >> In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
>> >> reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> Woh! Too late! He already thought of that:
> http://www.apple.com/macbookair/

Ouch.  I stand corrected, though it is an option, not a standard feature.

George
J. F. Cornwall - 04 Jul 2008 22:31 GMT
>>In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
>>reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>It's a novel idea. Of course, there needs to be a way to weed out data
>>from those times when you really *do* drop the laptop.

The Quake Catcher website addressed this question - if they get one
report from a network member in one spot, it's just a point.  As they
say, "your sister running past the computer".  If they get a lot of
near-simultaneour reports from multiple member locations in the same
area, then it's a quake.

> Since the idea is to park the HHD heads, it won't be easy. Not for the
> quakes that count.

The software is looking at shocks below the threshold required to force
head-parking.  A quake's intensity (even a big one) is going to be
waaaaaay less than the shock of dropping the laptop, which allows it to
send out the quake intensity reports and still perform its primary
function of protecting the HD.

Jim
Weatherlawyer - 05 Jul 2008 22:51 GMT
> >>In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
> >>reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> send out the quake intensity reports and still perform its primary
> function of protecting the HD.

Just exactly what forces are involved in the negative force of free
falling?

I mean free, free falling.
Yes free, free falling.
Timberwoof - 06 Jul 2008 00:50 GMT
In article
<73336bf5-c059-4e24-9493-dadf16e249ed@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,

> > The software is looking at shocks below the threshold required to force
> > head-parking.  A quake's intensity (even a big one) is going to be
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Just exactly what forces are involved in the negative force of free
> falling?

When the iBook is sitting on a desk, it registers one G of acceleration.
If it gets dropped, it registers 0 G of acceleration. It then panics and
parks the disk drive heads, hopefully in time for whatever lithobraking
it encounters.

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J. F. Cornwall - 07 Jul 2008 23:49 GMT
> In article
> <73336bf5-c059-4e24-9493-dadf16e249ed@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> parks the disk drive heads, hopefully in time for whatever lithobraking
> it encounters.

My understanding of the software is that it's looking for the sudden
intense (>1G) shock level of the impact, and that the head-parking is
fast enough to avert disaster even thought the impact is basically "in
progress" when detected.

Of course, I could be wrong and Timberwoof be 100 percent correct.
Without looking at the underlying software I'm just going by what I've
heard/read (no I don't recall where I read it).

Jim
Skywise - 07 Jul 2008 05:04 GMT
"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in news:wBwbk.11862$Fj5.3027
@newsfe23.lga:

> The software is looking at shocks below the threshold required to force
> head-parking.  A quake's intensity (even a big one) is going to be
> waaaaaay less than the shock of dropping the laptop...

Some strong motion detectors during the Northridge quake
recorded accelerations in excess of 1g.

Brian
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J. F. Cornwall - 07 Jul 2008 23:55 GMT
> "J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in news:wBwbk.11862$Fj5.3027
> @newsfe23.lga:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Brian

But my impression is that an impact of laptop meeting desk is a very
sudden high intensity jolt that is several Gs or more (no I don't have a
reference for that)...  Only way to find out would be to look into the
sensing code and see what it does.

Jim
Skywise - 08 Jul 2008 04:28 GMT
"J. F. Cornwall" <JCornwall@cox.net> wrote in news:m4xck.14711$rH1.10940
@newsfe20.lga:

> But my impression is that an impact of laptop meeting desk is a very
> sudden high intensity jolt that is several Gs or more (no I don't have a
> reference for that)...  Only way to find out would be to look into the
> sensing code and see what it does.

You're right. Once the laptop begins "lithobraking", the peak G's
are several. During it's trip to the ground, it's experiencing
very close to zero G's. This is what the system is looking for -
the sudden near zero-G. But in a strong quake, if motions approach
or exceed 1G of acceleration, the laptop's crash protection may
be triggered.

Of course, if the quake is that strong, I'm not going to be too
worried if the laptop shuts down and the seismic program stops
recording data.

Brian
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Timberwoof - 05 Jul 2008 01:09 GMT
In article
<0567452a-9ae1-4c14-bfd8-e2508c508902@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,

> > In the July Geotimes, Lisa Rossbacher, who writes the Geologic Column,
> > reports on the Sudden Motion Detectors in new Macintosh laptops.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Since the idea is to park the HHD heads, it won't be easy. Not for the
> quakes that count.

No biggie. Store up the images in RAM, then save them to disk.

Actually, the software probably uses the accelerometers to record the
shaking. That produces a lot less data, which means it's more likely
possible to allocate the RAM needed to store it until the HD is
available again.

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rick++ - 08 Jul 2008 17:28 GMT
Yes I posted this here on April 2, 2008.

Another point is that new, interesting seismology can be done
with as crude seismometers as this should the network reach
10,000 or 100,000 installations.  Current seismic networks are
measured in the hundreds to low thousands of high quality
sensors.  The goal is to convince each grade school in the
country to make at least one installation.
 
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