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Is this evidence of altruism in dogs?

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Anthony Campbell - 20 Jun 2008 23:53 GMT
A friend has told me he witnessed the following in a semi-rural suburb
north of Athens.

There are many stray dogs in the area. A woman in a nearby house was
putting food out for them regularly and a group of dogs had taken to
coming there daily. They would, not surprisingly, squabble over the
food, with the strongest dogs eating first.

Then a blind dog appeared and came hesitantly towards the food,
following the sound and the smell. On two occasions my friend saw the
other dogs stand aside to let the blind dog feed undisturbed.

Is this evidence of altruism, or is that too anthropomorphic? What other
explanations are possible?

Anthony Campbell

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John Wilkins - 21 Jun 2008 18:47 GMT
> A friend has told me he witnessed the following in a semi-rural suburb
> north of Athens.
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>
> Anthony Campbell

Possibly the blind dog was not doing the right body posture for a low
status male, and the other dogs were fooled by that.
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Cj - 26 Jun 2008 19:13 GMT
>> A friend has told me he witnessed the following in a semi-rural suburb
>> north of Athens.
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> Possibly the blind dog was not doing the right body posture for a low
> status male, and the other dogs were fooled by that.

Yes. A blind dog cannot respond to the body language of other dogs.
Since pack leadership (almost equals dominance) virtually requires that
the Alpha ignore the body language of subordinates the blind dog is
automatically exhibiting the body language of a dominant (Alpha) dog.
In theory a blind dog could represent a very dominant Alpha temporarily;
this would only last until the rest of the "pack" realized that the
blind dog was responding inappropriately to other body language signals
unrelated to dominance.
Cj
Entertained by my own EIMC - 21 Jun 2008 18:47 GMT
> A friend has told me he witnessed the following in a semi-rural suburb
> north of Athens.
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> Is this evidence of altruism, or is that too anthropomorphic? What other
> explanations are possible?

Would be nice if altruism were at play.
However (--am trying to be the devil's advocate), the deference to the blind
dog might (for one thing) have depended on an indelible 'didactic effect';
One that was caused by that this dog in its pre-blindness days was very
dominant and bullied the other dogs. ;-)
Anthony Campbell - 01 Jul 2008 00:58 GMT
> Yes. A blind dog cannot respond to the body language of other dogs.
> Since pack leadership (almost equals dominance) virtually requires that
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> unrelated to dominance.
> Cj

This certainly sounds likely, although I seem to remember seeint a TV
programme about wolves which said that they tended to protect an injured
pack member -- but I may be misremembering.

Anthony

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Cj - 07 Jul 2008 06:45 GMT
>> Yes. A blind dog cannot respond to the body language of other dogs.
>> Since pack leadership (almost equals dominance) virtually requires that
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>
> Anthony

Few wolves die of old age.  This is usually because they are attacked
and killed by their own pack.  The social organization of wolves is
based on their body language.  Wolves with failing eyesight invariably
display inappropriate body language in response to the body language of
the other pack members.  The inability of the wolf with failing eyesight
to discern the body language of other wolves is a major cause of
attacks, and subsequent death, in older wolves.  Since we have
relatively few dog packs that are socially similar to wolf packs we
don't see a lot of dog/dog attacks due to misread signals within packs.
 Dogs with poor eyesight are liable to attack by neighborhood dogs when
poor vision precludes appropriate responses to the body language of
other dogs.  A blind dog, like pack dominant pack leaders don't respond
at all to subordinates' signals.  The first thing that will trigger a
dog fight is an inappropriate body language display that triggers an
attack from another dog.
Cj
 
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