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Mother Child Bond and Neoteny

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Tom Hendricks - 26 Jan 2010 16:41 GMT
Here are two arguments to further support the importance of the mother
child bond in brain development.

1. Neoteny. We know that humans more than any apes had a retention of
juvenile features and and a slower sexual maturity. Neoteny would
strengthen the mother child  bond.

2. Bipedalism would change the foot. There would be selection for
walking. But there would be less ability for the baby to cling to the
mother as apes do. The baby would have two arms, not four. This would
demand that the mother 'carry the baby' more. This too would
strengthen the mother child bond.
Lorentz - 29 Jan 2010 17:16 GMT
> Here are two arguments to further support the importance of the mother
> child bond in brain development.
>
> 1. Neoteny. We know that humans more than any apes had a retention of
> juvenile features and and a slower sexual maturity. Neoteny would
> strengthen the mother child  bond.
    I think most scientists would agree that neotony and maternal
care are related. One can cause the other. In fact, I conjecture it is
more like a feed-back loop, where the development of one makes the
development of the other more probable.

> 2. Bipedalism would change the foot. There would be selection for
> walking. But there would be less ability for the baby to cling to the
> mother as apes do. The baby would have two arms, not four. This would
> demand that the mother 'carry the baby' more. This too would
> strengthen the mother child bond.
    This sounds like other scientists would agree that this happened
in human beings. However, I take no model seriously unless it includes
lots of invertebrates :-)
arne97 - 29 Jan 2010 17:16 GMT
> Here are two arguments to further support the importance of the mother
> child bond in brain development.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> demand that the mother 'carry the baby' more. This too would
> strengthen the mother child bond.

  The significant difference between the way a chimp raises it's
young, and a human, is that we teach our infants to speak. THAT is
what changes the way the brain develops.
Tom Hendricks - 30 Jan 2010 19:31 GMT
> > Here are two arguments to further support the importance of the mother
> > child bond in brain development.
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> young, and a human, is that we teach our infants to speak. THAT is
> what changes the way the brain develops.

I would think that holding the baby, and carrying the baby, came
before
language as did bipedalism.  Holding and carrying the baby would
enhance and develop language
with the baby.
Tom Hendricks - 05 Feb 2010 18:17 GMT
On Jan 30, 1:31 pm, Tom Hendricks <tom-hendri...@att.net> wrote:
> On Jan 29, 11:16 am, arne97 <gahada2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> enhance and develop language
> with the baby.

There is this too. There is really no innate desire to devise tools,
or
speak. But there is an innate desire to be sociable - to please a
mother
that you have a bond with, to support your family, and to mate.
Those drives are strong in all of us then and now. I think the other
milestones followed from them.
That means that the social bonds of mother and child, and to a lesser
extant
individual and group, and male and female sex, were the real driving
force that
led to language, making tools, hunting, and all the rest.
Entertained by my own EIMC Internetional Ptd. Lty. - 03 Feb 2010 19:42 GMT
I can easily and completely concur with this reasoning of yours! :-)

> Here are two arguments to further support the importance of the mother
> child bond in brain development.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> demand that the mother 'carry the baby' more. This too would
> strengthen the mother child bond.
Entertained by my own EIMC Internetional Ptd. Lty. - 03 Feb 2010 19:42 GMT
Here is an EPT extension of your reasoning:
Neotony and bipedalism (nomadic life-style) lead to SHI-type predicaments
becoming a more prevalent "pressure" (both in a Darwinian and
psychophysiological sense).
Further, later to arise, life-style-changing directly or indirectly
need-negating adaptations (I am sure you can imagine what and how) created
even greater such pressures that when logically and realistically paired
with pressures of "opportunity type" (environmentally presented or offered
or provided such) led to that our evolutionary lineage evolved into the by
far most elaborately AEVASIVE (~= ambiadvantageously adapted/evolved....) of
all species on this planet.

> Here are two arguments to further support the importance of the mother
> child bond in brain development.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> demand that the mother 'carry the baby' more. This too would
> strengthen the mother child bond.
Gnarlodious - 09 Mar 2010 16:39 GMT
> 1. Neoteny. We know that humans more than any apes had a retention of
> juvenile features and and a slower sexual maturity.

That is true, however is a very incomplete picture. No existing
species (except for humans) has the nurturant instinct to care for
slow-maturing youth past the absolute minimum for survival, and the
sooner the better. Developmentally retarded or helpless individuals
are abandoned to predators, you would not expect paedomorphic features
to be tolerated in such a society. Indeed, any such tendencies would
eventually be selected out of the gene pool. One could therefore
propose that the species of primate who allowed neoteny was our direct
ancestor.

Only humans and their predessors have had the ability to create the
safe, nurturant and resource-rich society in which paedomorphic
individuals can mature. Witness the liberal tolerant society where 30
year old adults routinely live with their parents. Even  as recently
as 50 years ago it could not happen. Retarded, disabled and deformed
persons were murdered, mutilated or at the very least, prevented from
reproducing. This is the principle of neurodiversity, that in the most
helpless among us lurks the future of our species. As we speak,
someplace where neoteny is not a crime, the future human subspecies is
already evolving.

-- Gnarlie
 
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