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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Fusion / October 2008



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When will we get controlable fusion?

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fitz - 11 Sep 2008 16:48 GMT
Will we ever get it?

Fitz
Fernando A. Gómez F. - 11 Sep 2008 17:24 GMT
> Will we ever get it?
>
> Fitz

Perhaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER

Who knows, maybe one day.

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Bob Eld - 11 Sep 2008 21:50 GMT
> Will we ever get it?
>
> Fitz

According to Archimedes Plutonium, never.  He talks of something called the
"barrier principle" that according to him precludes controlled fusion. So
far it looks like he may be right, though I hope not.
plutonium.archimedes@gmail.com - 13 Sep 2008 20:52 GMT
> > Will we ever get it?
> >
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> "barrier principle" that according to him precludes controlled fusion. So
> far it looks like he may be right, though I hope not.

I hope I am wrong also, but the evidence is piling up in support of
that barrier.
The LHC is in fact a tokamak, only a unique tokamak in that, unlike
JET,
allows us to look inside and peer inside during a event. Something
that JET
did not allow.

Those who have no mind for scientific thought or thinking can ask
themselves
a simple question which will convince them. Suppose there was no
barrier
to fusion. Then the next higher level of energy is matter-to-
antimatter. So
in a thousand or ten thousand year, hence, human civilization, would
they be going
after a Matter-Antimatter Power Station the same way we are going
after
a Fusion Power Station? No, because the cost of making
antimatter proves that there cannot be such a Power Station. So a
barrier
exists somewhere between Fission Power and Matter-Antimatter Power.

How long have we been at this fusion game and how much success? It
is the longest standing physics work in human history and our success
has been only 64% breakeven with JET. That is strong evidence to
support the idea that the barrier is actually 2/3 breakeven.

I place the barrier at 2/3 Fusion breakeven from the Maxwell
Equations.

The LHC can probably prove the Fusion Barrier Principle to be 2/3
breakeven.

Archimedes Plutonium
www.iw.net/~a_plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies
Chris - 26 Oct 2008 11:13 GMT
When I succeed in repeating a successful experiment carried out at RSRS 40
years ago.

>> Will we ever get it?
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> "barrier principle" that according to him precludes controlled fusion. So
> far it looks like he may be right, though I hope not.
Albert van der Horst - 12 Sep 2008 18:35 GMT
>Will we ever get it?

We are on the verge of having it: controllable fusion that has a
net energy production.

The ITER project uses known theory and according to that it
will produce more energy then it consumes. There is a long way
towards cheap, abundant energy.

It doesn't make sense scientifically or technically to pull
that stunt. It is just done to convince politicians and other
dumb people.

>Fitz

Groetjes Albert

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Chris - 26 Oct 2008 11:16 GMT
We did it at RSRS 40 years ago. The authorities scrapped it because of the
Petrol lobby and because the mathematical analysis was too hard.

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