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Natural Science Forum / Earth Science / Meteorology / July 2007Will we get 'Record Temp' Reports here in WINTER?
I was wondering if it's only hyped in the hot months. >I was wondering if it's only hyped in the hot months. Here in the tropics of Oz we have been having bloody cold weather (by our standards) this winter. [All temperatures quoted below are macho degrees Celsius, not those wimpy Fahrenheit things. ;-) ] <Quoting from the Weatherzone 9 Jul 2007> Cool, dry air has been lingering over tropical north Queensland for the past fortnight when the temperature in Cairns dropped below 10 degrees on four different nights. 'There has only been one other winter in 64 years of records where it has dipped below 10 degrees on more than four nights in Cairns,' said Saunders. Daytimes have also been cooler than normal for the past two weeks. Cairns only reached 23 degrees today, three below the July average. It’s been chilly enough for some locals to don the long sleeves. [...] Darwin has also felt the chill been affected by these cool dry winds. The temperature is forecast to dip as low as 14 degrees in the Top End city early on the next few mornings, five below normal. [And continuing on 10 Jul 2007] It was another cold night across the tropics, with some places hitting record low temperatures for July, according to weatherzone.com.au Many towns in northern Queensland and NT were about 7 to 10 degrees below the July average. [...] Cairns has now dipped below 10 degrees on 5 different nights this winter, which has only happened once on record, in 1985. </quoting> References: <http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/story.jsp?id=7002> <http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/story.jsp?id=7009> Cheers, Phred.  SignatureppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID > >I was wondering if it's only hyped in the hot months. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Cheers, Phred. # So, are we really headed for an Ice Age, and it's not Global Warming at all? No, we must distinguish between local weather - increasingly erratic - and climatic trend. We humans can't continue to belch vast quantities of chimney smoke and exhaust fumes into the atmosphere, and think we can escape unscathed. Can Man conquer Nature? No, because, in the ultimate analysis, we're part of Nature. We can bend natural laws to suit ourselves, but can't break them. Nature itself is indifferent, as to whether we live or perish; only we may care. Our human-centred outlook tends to reduce our capacity for objectivity where the Human Plague (?) is concerned; not helped by religion in which God created the cosmos purely for His great achievement, us. Nor even by the past scientific view of Homo Sapiens being atop the Evolutionary Tree. Climatic change is merely one of the deleterious impacts we humans are having on planet Earth - the only planet we truly have. So, better alter our ways, and try reducing our numbers, while we still have a slight chance of redemption. The great majority of biological species become extinct at some point in time, and our turn will come. It's just a case of whether by natural causes, or by our own hand; and later, rather than sooner. >> >I was wondering if it's only hyped in the hot months. >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] ># So, are we really headed for an Ice Age, and it's not Global Warming at >all? Do try to keep up Don, me old mate. IIRC, one of the postulated effects of climate change is that we may expect to get extremes in both directions whether it be hotter/colder, wetter/drier, etc. [In all fairness, your comment below suggests you are aware of this.] > No, we must distinguish between local weather - increasingly erratic - >and climatic trend. We humans can't continue to belch vast quantities of >chimney smoke and exhaust fumes into the atmosphere, and think we can escape >unscathed. > Can Man conquer Nature? No, because, in the ultimate analysis, we're >part of Nature. We can bend natural laws to suit ourselves, but can't break I doubt that we can even bend them! We may apply them to our purposes, and perhaps apply them unwisely at times with potentially undesirable consequences. >them. Nature itself is indifferent, as to whether we live or perish; only >we may care. And once we've perished we won't care either. > Our human-centred outlook tends to reduce our capacity for objectivity >where the Human Plague (?) is concerned; not helped by religion in which God [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >time, and our turn will come. It's just a case of whether by natural >causes, or by our own hand; and later, rather than sooner. Are you saying man is not natural? I would say that if we do indeed succeed in wiping ourselves out "by our own hand" then that is ALSO a natural cause. Cheers, Phred. SignatureppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID > >> >I was wondering if it's only hyped in the hot months. > >> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Cheers, Phred. # J.S. Mill wrote an excellent essay on Nature, distinguishing the various ways the word can be used. I'd say that we humans are the only animal species which is sufficiently self-aware, and articulate, as to make a distinction between ourselves and non-human Nature. But, in the final analysis, we're part of Nature (as a whole) and can't escape our involvement. Thus, it behoves us to act with some prudence as to how we "develop" the world, lest we engineer our own destruction. It may already be too late. Only we, as humans, "evaluate", ie have "values". There is no evidence that the Cosmos, in itself, has any concern whether Homo Sapiens lives or dies, as a species. As most species become extinct eventually, the odds are against us, "naturally". If we speed up the process, Nature (non-human) will oblige. ># J.S. Mill wrote an excellent essay on Nature, distinguishing the various >ways the word can be used. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >against us, "naturally". > If we speed up the process, Nature (non-human) will oblige. I guess in 2-3 BILLION years other 'animals' could be self-aware but I wouldn't bet $1 on it. As long as animals are dumb enough to continue to visit an area of the woods where hundreds of animals had previously been shot by hunter then we human have nothing to worry about. Think about it. Yours Truly, Crackles R. McFarly It's a silly website but aren't they all? http://cracklesmcfarly.blogspot.com/ > ># J.S. Mill wrote an excellent essay on Nature, distinguishing the various > >ways the word can be used. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > It's a silly website but aren't they all? > http://cracklesmcfarly.blogspot.com/ # Those surviving crocs in NT where croc hunters prowled, soon learned that Man was a dangerous predator, and they became harder and harder to locate. And how large is a croc's brain? We Humans are the world's most vicious predator - just look at what we do to each other in our continuous warfare; and we can't solve "world poverty", in spite of a meeting of the Rich Man's Club ever so often. What happens when a species becomes rare? Some few of us will try to preserve the remnants, but many will go hunting for the residue, so as to make a quick dollar before they're all gone. Then we believe such nonsense as re: tiger bones, rhino horns, and shark fins. Elephant tusks are also "valuable". Still, all these non-human species will have their ultimate revenge, as we continue on - until the "Balance of Nature" is so upset we find ourselves headed for extinction. Our human brain has been our greatest asset, but may also prove to be our greatest liability. We are clever, but are we clever enough to save ourselves? Welcome to the Dodo Club. >+ Climatic change is merely one of the deleterious impacts we humans are >+ having on planet Earth - the only planet we truly have. Umm, Don? Here's a thought for you: Climate Change Happens Mars is currently experiencing its own warming. How does that happen? SignatureConsulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good, either. I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated. >Mars is currently experiencing its own warming. How does that happen? suv's and coal-fire plants. also mars has a lot of republicans so that makes things more evil and hotter. thanks ># So, are we really headed for an Ice Age, and it's not Global Warming at >all? hrm, lets consider this:what immediately follows a period of global warming? ice age perhaps? but we're lead to believe we will see see levels rise and warmer and warmer temps, like the end point is temps above boiling. its pretty stupid the sh.t people believe. we'd get to a point, maybe 5-7F above what we are now, then here comes the dreaded ice age, not 222F temps like the liberals and algorians believe. just ask some punk at one of those ralies or ask a punk kid at a high school what happens toward the end of global warming. money bets they'll tell you about ever more and more warming until it gets as hot as the sun ...bullshit like that oh and lets not forget how it's man's fault, all 100%, couldn't be that the Sun is getting hotter, has been for a long time.. I guess we humans forced the sun to get hotter because we got evil and forced evil onto the sun with our suvs. >+ 'There has only been one other winter in 64 years of records where it >+ has dipped below 10 degrees on more than four nights in Cairns,' said >+ Saunders. Sounds like heaven. Of course, I'm on the other side of the equator from you guys, about 30N. We'll be in the vicinity of 35C today. I'm really looking forward to those nights where it gets below 10C. Now, when it starts going below 0... SignatureConsulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good, either. I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated. >>+ 'There has only been one other winter in 64 years of records where it >>+ has dipped below 10 degrees on more than four nights in Cairns,' said >>+ Saunders. > >Sounds like heaven. Of course, I'm on the other side of the equator >from you guys, about 30N. We'll be in the vicinity of 35C today. 35C is a bit uncomfortable. :-) Fortunately, we're quite close to the coast (inland from the tourist ghetto of Cairns) and the "official" temperature rarely gets that high due to the maritime influence. But the inside of my ill-designed house can often reach 42C when it's closed up in summer. :-( >I'm really looking forward to those nights where it gets below 10C. The problem the good citizens of Cairns have is that none of the poor buggers own a decent sweater or pullover. A couple of decades ago they could have dragged a suit out of the cupboard, but these days no one even wears those things to weddings or funerals. :) >Now, when it starts going below 0... Here in the hills, we had a lot of frost around yesterday. None in my yard, but a friend who lives not far away said her garden hose ejected several "bullets" of ice when she turned it on yesterday morning! Cheers, Phred. SignatureppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID >+ In article <slrnf99nhs.5ve.n0b0dy@192.168.10.10>, no-courtesy-copies-please wrote: >+ >I'm really looking forward to those nights where it gets below 10C. >+ >+ The problem the good citizens of Cairns have is that none of the poor >+ buggers own a decent sweater or pullover. Hah! I can always tell who's from Miami (25N, 80W) after the first "cold" snap when it gets in down below 5C: they're the ones wearing parkas or a ski jacket. I'm still in shorts, and they look at me like I've got three heads... >+ Here in the hills, we had a lot of frost around yesterday. None in my >+ yard, but a friend who lives not far away said her garden hose ejected >+ several "bullets" of ice when she turned it on yesterday morning! Doh! SignatureConsulting Minister for Consultants, DNRC I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good, either. I am BOFH. Resistance is futile. Your network will be assimilated. >>I was wondering if it's only hyped in the hot months. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Cheers, Phred. how did your cold weather report get past the kill bots of global warming? |
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