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Global Cooling News Flash: Now We Have Snow In The UAR

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obonz - 27 Jan 2009 01:29 GMT
January 26 2009

Snow falls on the United Arab Republic:

Snow covered the Jebel Jais area for only the second time in recorded
history yesterday.

So rare was the event that one lifelong resident said the local dialect had
no word for it.

Imagine what conclusions the media would draw from a failure of snow to fall
somewhere for only the second time in recorded history.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/snow_
now_in_the_desert/


Warmest Regards

Bonzo
Disneygeek - 27 Jan 2009 10:58 GMT
> January 26 2009
>
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>
> Bonzo

When (during the day) exactly did the snow fall? I ask because,
believe it or not, it can get cold in the desert at night. The
amazement of snow falling in the desert is not that it doesn't get
cold enough for snow but that it's too dry and arid for snow. Since
part of the global warming scenario is an increase in moisture in the
air, snow in an area that doesn't normally get snow is NOT proof that
global warming isn't real.
Fran - 27 Jan 2009 11:16 GMT
> > January 26 2009
>
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> air, snow in an area that doesn't normally get snow is NOT proof that
> global warming isn't real

Bingo! Give the poster a prize.

Fran
Disneygeek - 27 Jan 2009 17:18 GMT
> > > January 26 2009
>
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>
> Fran

Yeah, apparently it also snowed in Vegas recently, same answer.
BDK - 28 Jan 2009 04:04 GMT
In article <1f302c9e-1cb5-46b6-83fd-4e1b6ab8e990@
33g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>, edrhodes@hotmail.com says...

> > > > January 26 2009
> >
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>
> Yeah, apparently it also snowed in Vegas recently, same answer.

It snowed 30 years ago in Vegas too. I drove in it, it was like a
demolition derby! Never saw so many wrecks, in such a short time.
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bhanwaram@netscape.net - 27 Jan 2009 17:44 GMT
> > January 26 2009
>
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> air, snow in an area that doesn't normally get snow is NOT proof that
> global warming isn't real.

Predicting after the facts is so easy...

So basically, the reason New Orleans didn't use to get
snow - was that it WAS very cold out there all the time
(the residents' denial that it was cold, presumably driven
by ExxonMobil) but there just wasn't enough moisture
in the air?
Disneygeek - 28 Jan 2009 04:32 GMT
On Jan 27, 12:44 pm, bhanwa...@netscape.net wrote:

> > > January 26 2009
>
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> by ExxonMobil) but there just wasn't enough moisture
> in the air?

New Orleans doesn't get as cold as the mid-Western desert area does.
So why are you comparing them. Did it snow in New Orleans? If so, it
wasn't mentioned in this thread.
bobtelson@hotmail.co.uk - 28 Jan 2009 09:16 GMT
> > Snow covered the Jebel Jais area for only the second time in recorded
> > history yesterday.

> When (during the day) exactly did the snow fall? I ask because,
> believe it or not, it can get cold in the desert at night. The
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> air, snow in an area that doesn't normally get snow is NOT proof that
> global warming isn't real.

This increased moisture is a good thing. If the atmosphere gets wet
enough, it will not only snow but also rain in the Arabian and Sahara
deserts. This happened during the Holocene Thermal Maximum around
5,000BC and during the peak of the Eemian Interglacial around
123,000BC. Both times, the climate was 2 or more degrees C warmer than
today. The increased atmospheric moisture caused rain in the deserts,
and they turned into grasslands. When the climate got colder again,
the rains went away and the grasslands turned back into deserts.

Doesn't this tell you that global warming would improve the world? A
warmer world has more forests, less deserts and less permafrost.
Wouldn't that be an improvement?

Global warming is good.
Disneygeek - 28 Jan 2009 09:43 GMT
On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> > > Snow covered the Jebel Jais area for only the second time in recorded
> > > history yesterday.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Global warming is good.

Remember that when the coastline gets flooded and the farmland becomes
swamp.
JohnM - 28 Jan 2009 12:32 GMT
> On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
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> Remember that when the coastline gets flooded and the farmland becomes
> swamp.

Not to mention when tens of millions of square kilometres of
permafrost turns into impassable mud.
bobtelson@hotmail.co.uk - 28 Jan 2009 16:13 GMT
> > On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > > This increased moisture is a good thing. If the atmosphere gets wet
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> > Remember that when the coastline gets flooded and the farmland becomes
> > swamp.

But huge amounts of desert will turn green once they get enough
rainfall. This green, well-watered land can then be farmed.

> Not to mention when tens of millions of square kilometres of
> permafrost turns into impassable mud.

Mud tends to make good farmland. What makes this particular mud
"impassable" rather than "farmable" mud?

Tens of millions of square kilometres of mud sound much better able to
bear life than tens of millions of square kilometres of permafrost.

Let me put it another way: does anyone seriously claim that permafrost
is better for life than a muddy plain? If for some reasons humans
didn't tend the mud and just never went there, it would generate lots
of biomass all by itself like a sort of gigantic nature reserve. Is
that bad for life on Earth?
JohnM - 28 Jan 2009 18:33 GMT
On Jan 28, 5:13 pm, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

> > > On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> > > > This increased moisture is a good thing. If the atmosphere gets wet
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> But huge amounts of desert will turn green once they get enough
> rainfall. This green, well-watered land can then be farmed.

Nope. Essential nutrients are mostly missing from ancient deserts.
With peak phosphate now here, along with peak oil, farming them is a
fantasy.

> > Not to mention when tens of millions of square kilometres of
> > permafrost turns into impassable mud.
>
> Mud tends to make good farmland. What makes this particular mud
> "impassable" rather than "farmable" mud?

Pfrost tends to be rather deep - nearly 1.5 km in a couple of places.
But anything over a couple of metres will thaw to something resembling
the Florida Everglades, as no natural drainage exists. You may have
noticed that not many tractors operate in the Everglades.

> Tens of millions of square kilometres of mud sound much better able to
> bear life than tens of millions of square kilometres of permafrost.

There are existing forests in some places where the top surface of the
permafrost thaws each summer. Their existence depends on the summer
melt being shallow and reversible in winter.

> Let me put it another way: does anyone seriously claim that permafrost
> is better for life than a muddy plain? If for some reasons humans
> didn't tend the mud and just never went there, it would generate lots
> of biomass all by itself like a sort of gigantic nature reserve. Is
> that bad for life on Earth?

Freshly thawed pfrost is virtually unproductive. Ecosystems that exist
in the pfrost zone have taken hundreds of years to form.
marcodbeast - 29 Jan 2009 17:03 GMT
>>> On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>>> This increased moisture is a good thing. If the atmosphere gets wet
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> of biomass all by itself like a sort of gigantic nature reserve. Is
> that bad for life on Earth?

 You are a plant, are you?
obonz - 29 Jan 2009 00:14 GMT
>> On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>
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> Not to mention when tens of millions of square kilometres of
> permafrost turns into impassable mud.

ROTFLMAO

The unquestioning faith in debunked climate models never ceases to amaze me!
But then, I don't have the blinkers of a hidden socialist agenda on me!!

The Sorry History Of Climate Model Predictions

16 Sep 2008

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting realistic results."

The computer models upon which the UN's climate panel unwisely founds its
entire case have failed and failed and failed again to predict major events
in the real climate.

a. The models have not projected the current multidecadal stasis in "global
warming":

b. no rise in temperatures since 1998; falling temperatures since late 2001;
temperatures not expected to set a new record until 2015 (Keenlyside et al.,
2008).

c. nor (until trained ex post facto) did they predict the fall in TS from
1940-1975;

d. nor 50 years' cooling in Antarctica (Doran et al., 2002) and the Arctic
(Soon, 2005);

e. nor the absence of ocean warming since 2003 (Lyman et al., 2006;
Gouretski & Koltermann, 2007);

f. nor the behavior of the great ocean oscillations (Lindzen, 2007),

g. nor the magnitude nor duration of multi-century events such as the
Mediaeval Warm Period or the Little Ice Age;

h. nor the decline since 2000 in atmospheric methane concentration (IPCC,
2007);

i. nor the active 2004 hurricane season;

j. nor the inactive subsequent seasons;

k. nor the UK flooding of 2007 (the Met Office had forecast a summer of
prolonged droughts only six weeks previously);

l. nor the solar Grand Maximum of the past 70 years, during which the Sun
was more active, for longer, than at almost any similar period in the past
11,400 years (Hathaway, 2004; Solanki et al., 2005);

m. nor the consequent surface "global warming" on Mars, Jupiter, Neptune's
largest moon, and even distant Pluto;

n. nor the eerily-continuing 2006 solar minimum;

o. nor the consequent, precipitate decline of ~0.8 °C in surface temperature
from January 2007 to May 2008 that has canceled out almost all of the
observed warming of the 20th century.

http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=1803

Warmest Regards

Bonzo
Government Shill #2 - 28 Jan 2009 16:47 GMT
>On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>>
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>Remember that when the coastline gets flooded and the farmland becomes
>swamp.

My house is about 10km from the beach. About 20 feet AMSL. I'm holding off
on getting a backyard pool in case the sea levels rise, in which case I
could have a beach front property.  :-)

--
Shill #2

This message is smiley captioned for the humour impaired.
obonz - 29 Jan 2009 00:20 GMT
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:43:39 -0800 (PST), Disneygeek
> <edrhodes@hotmail.com>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> on getting a backyard pool in case the sea levels rise, in which case I
> could have a beach front property.  :-)

ROTFLMAO

I'll take it off your hands for a fee to spare you the "rising sea
levels"!!!!

Any other AGW whackos out there who want to offload their beachfront
property?

There should be a concentration of these Hollywood whackos on Malibu beach
desperateley trying to offload their beach front properties, I'm sure.

They make enough noise about "global warming"!

So where are they?

Come on, show us all the courage of your convictions!!!

Warmest Regards

Bonzo
obonz - 29 Jan 2009 00:11 GMT
On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On Jan 27, 10:58 am, Disneygeek <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Global warming is good.

Remember that when the coastline gets flooded and the farmland becomes
swamp.
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ROTFLMAO

So when are the cheap beachfront properties going on sale then.
I'd be buying!

No alarm about rising sea levels here!!

January 25 2009

The Queensland beachfront property mentioned earlier has sold at auction .
for $9,010,000.

Sellers were hoping for an eight-figure price, but as agent Michael
Kollosche says: "The market is relatively tough at the moment."

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/

Warmest Regards

Bonzo
Disneygeek - 30 Jan 2009 04:30 GMT
> On Jan 28, 4:16 am, bobtel...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
>
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>
> Bonzo

By the time they realize the problem and sell, you won't want to buy.

Or, there could be this idea. Since we are trying to reduce our
effects on the Earth, it's possible the problem could wind down and
nothing will happen. At which point the "Limbaughs" of the world will
say; "See? Told you there was nothing to it!"
obozn - 30 Jan 2009 04:36 GMT
On Jan 28, 7:11 pm, "obonz" <ob...@l.com> wrote:
> "Disneygeek" <edrho...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Bonzo

By the time they realize the problem and sell, you won't want to buy.
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Huh?
You don't mean the global warming scam, perchance, do you?

Surely there must be some AGW crazies out there desperate to sell their
beachfront properties cheap!

But then again, they're mostly socialists, which means they're dirt poor and
envious of the rich!

Warmest Regards

Bonzo
marcodbeast - 29 Jan 2009 17:02 GMT
>>> Snow covered the Jebel Jais area for only the second time in
>>> recorded history yesterday.
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Global warming is good.

 Not a coast dweller, we see.  lol
 
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