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REPOST - Day ??l*10^3 - The Sun Hibernates - Stocks Retreat After Obama Speech

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kiloVolts - 25 Feb 2009 23:18 GMT
February 25, 2009

The face of the Sun is without blemish:
http://mdisas.nascom.nasa.gov/gif_health/latest_igram_fd.gif

Please visit:
http://blog.nj.com/southjersey_impact/2008/11/large_SolarCycle.jpg

The right panel shows the face of the Sun as it looked on a good day during
the late Modern Warm Period. Sunspots are the apparent size of craters on
the moon. The left panel shows a spotless Sun as seen today.

Please write to Al Gore so that Al knows that the Sun is not living up to
his religious expectations. Al Gore is a divinity school dropout. George
Carlin had a better grasp of the true nature of God's creation, than does Al
Gore.

Please visit:
http://www.co-intelligence.org/newsletter/images/sun-etc.jpg
which shows the relative sizes of the Sun and planets. Compared to the Sun,
Jupiter is the size of a pea, earth is the size of a grain of sand.

Business News Bulletin
Stocks Retreat After Obama Speech
Evelyn Rusli, 02.25.09, 11:30 AM EST

This is a transcript of the Market Update: Midday video report.

Stocks retreated on Wednesday, with the Street looking for direction from
Washington. President Obama's Tuesday night speech failed to move the needle
on Wall Street; meanwhile, investors are watching Fed Chairman Ben
Bernanke's meeting with the House Financial Services Committee.

Regulators are expected to begin stress tests of the nation's major banks to
determine how much capital, if any, they need.

The housing sector digested yet another disappointing report. Existing-home
sales fell 5.3% to 4.49 million, coming in below economists' expectations.

American International Group (nyse: AIG - news - people ) may have lost a
suitor for its $20 billion Asian life-insurance unit. According to reports,
U.K. firm Prudential is unlikely to make a bid by Friday's deadline, leaving
Manulife and Singapore sovereign wealth fund Temasek Holdings in the
running.

Citigroup (nyse: C - news - people ) is also said to be mulling a sale of a
key Asian asset, its Japanese bank, Nikko Citigroup. The firm has already
put the Nikko Cordial brokerage unit up for sale, but now reports suggest it
may bundle both units to raise even more cash.

On the earnings docket, it appears the cash-strapped consumer may be
avoiding pricier meals for peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. Jam-maker
J.M. Smucker (nyse: SJM - news - people ) said profits were up 84% in its
third quarter. Even so, the Ohio-based company lowered its 2009 guidance
because of higher costs and lower demand for peanut butter following a
product recall.

Bond insurer Ambac Financial Group (nyse: ABK - news - people ) recorded a
$2.3 billion fourth-quarter loss Wednesday, after setting aside more than $1
billion for mortgage losses.
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 26 Feb 2009 01:30 GMT
In sci.physics kiloVolts <mantrap@0r1w4u5t5s0s4a4s6e3f5g6rh4h4d4q6a3s2ax7a2d5y6j1z4s2.com> wrote:
> February 25, 2009
>
> The face of the Sun is without blemish:
> http://mdisas.nascom.nasa.gov/gif_health/latest_igram_fd.gif

Gibbering nonsense.

The current sunspot number is 12.

http://spaceweather.com/

Images of current sunspots:

http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Robert-Arno
ld-0225-f1000-14-55_1235579284.jpg


http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Jan-Timmerm
ans-sun_ha_pst_powermate2dot5_atk16ic_birb_20090225-111805_1235563257.jpg


http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Stephen-Ame
s-022509all_1235581009.jpg


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kiloVolts - 26 Feb 2009 02:02 GMT
You are playing a very dangerous game with the truth mister.

If you have the any kind of intellectual skills you will examine the
following historical records:

http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=11&month=02&year=2009
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=12&month=02&year=2009
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=13&month=02&year=2009
http://www.spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=14&month=02&year=2009

They show a sunspot group that barely survived for longer than 24 hours.

I shall challenge you to a duel with pistols at 20 paces in 24 hours.

> In sci.physics kiloVolts
> <mantrap@0r1w4u5t5s0s4a4s6e3f5g6rh4h4d4q6a3s2ax7a2d5y6j1z4s2.com> wrote:
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>
> http://spaceweather.com/submissions/large_image_popup.php?image_name=Stephen-Ame
s-022509all_1235581009.jpg
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 26 Feb 2009 03:45 GMT
In sci.physics kiloVolts <mantrap@i0r1w9l5t5s0s4a4s7e3f5g6rh4h4d4q6a3s2ax7a2d5y6j1z4s2.com> wrote:
> You are playing a very dangerous game with the truth mister.
>
> If you have the any kind of intellectual skills you will examine the
> following historical records:

Historical records don't tell you what is happening right now.

> I shall challenge you to a duel with pistols at 20 paces in 24 hours.

Yep, a babbling wack job.

The sunspot number is now 14, up from 12.

Babble on.

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kiloVolts - 26 Feb 2009 19:19 GMT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphelion

July 4, 2009, Earth Aphelion approaches

Earth Perihelion is the date on which the earth is closest to the sun. That
date changes from year to year. The last Earth Perihelion was January 4,
2009. On that date the radiant energy that the earth received from the Sun
was greater than on any other day of the year. Too bad it is past

Earth Aphelion is the date on which earth is farthest from the Sun. Next
aphelion is July 4, 2009. On that date the amount of radiant energy that the
earth receives from the Sun is less than on any other day of the year.

REPOST:

Let's do some high school math shall we. At Earth Aphelion the earth is at a
distance of 1.0167103335 astronomical units, AU from the Sun. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth

At Earth Perihelion the earth is at a distance of 0.9832898912 AU from the
Sun.

Radiance follows an inverse square law. This can be extremely dramatic if
you do flash photography. Under an inverse square law radiance drops off by
a factor of four if you double the distance from the light source. Hence, in
flash photography objects in the background appear to be in the dark.

The ratio of the two distances above is 1.033988392. Taking the square and
then the inverse we get 0.9353382

That means that during the course of a whole year the radiance that the
earth receives from the Sun varies by ~6.5%. Compare:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_constant#Solar_constant

"Solar constant"

"It is measured by satellite to be roughly 1366 watts per square meter
(W/m^2), though this fluctuates by about 6.9% during a year (from 1412 W/m^2
in early January to 1321 W/m^2 in early July) due to the earth's varying
distance from the Sun, and typically by much less than one part per thousand
from day to day."

Those who are challenged by high school math, like Al Gore (a high school
failure), GISS NASA chief James E. Hansen (a computer programmer), Barack
Obama (JD in black liberation studies), should ask themselves how can a
"Solar constant" that varies by 90 W/m^2 over the course of a year, be
called a constant? What f.cking nonsense. Climatology is a ship of fools.

Now the real troubling thing is that people who have shown no proficiency in
high school math rule the UN, the US government and the IPCC. Some of them
even write readable articles in Wikipedia that may be of little note. Never
the less it is worthwhile to check some numbers given by people who can not
do high school math. Please read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Radiative-forcings.svg

If you are willing to believe the work of people who cannot do high school
math you can read the graph that says that the radiative forcing for all the
CO2 that is in the atmosphere right now, 380 ppm is only 1.5 W/m^2.

The so called greenhouse effect, 1.5 W/m^2 in total, is a triviality
compared to 90 W/m^2. $100 billions has been spent studying putative small
increments in a number which is trivially small, even if you do believe in
the work of monkeys.

Our leaders cannot do high school math. We are ruled by monkeys. We are
f.cked. We're doomed.

In sci.physics kiloVolts
<mantrap@r1w4u5t5s0s3a4s6e3f5g6rh4h5d4q2a3s2ax7a2d5y6j1z4s.com>
wrote:
> February 25, 2009
>
> The face of the Sun is without blemish:
> http://mdisas.nascom.nasa.gov/gif_health/latest_igram_fd.gif

Not so, buster--The Sun has 14 countable sun spots as we speak.

Ref: 2008 Global Surface Temperature in GISS Analysis
  http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090113_Temperature.pdf

"Solar irradiance: the solar irradiance remains low (Figure 4), at the
lowest
level in the period since satellite measurements began in the late 1970s,
and
the time since the prior solar minimum is already 12 years, two years longer
than the prior two cycles. This has led some people to speculate that we may
be entering a "Maunder Minimum" situation, a period of reduced irradiance
that could last for decades. Most solar physicists expect the irradiance to
begin to pick up in the next several months - there are indications, from
the
polarity of the few recent sunspots, that the new cycle is beginning.

"However, let's assume that the solar irradiance does not recover: in that
case, the negative forcing, relative to the mean solar irradiance is
equivalent to seven years of CO2 increase at current growth rates. So do not
look for a new "Little Ice Age" in any case!

"Assuming that the solar irradiance begins to recover this year, as
expected,
there is still some effect on the likelihood of a near-term global
temperature
record due to the unusually prolonged solar minimum. Because of the large
thermal inertia of the ocean, the surface temperature response to the 10-12
year solar cycle lags the irradiance variation by 1-2 years. Thus, relative
to the mean, i.e, the hypothetical case in which the sun had a constant
average irradiance, actual solar irradiance will continue to provide a
negative
anomaly for the next 2-3 years".
 
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