>Where can I get Serratia Marcescens Culture? I you where I can get this
>cheap like 1 oz. please email me at DrEvil1091@aol.com. I need it for a
>science fair project and can not find it anywhere.
>
>I am proving that dandelion roots are just as effective as antibiotics
>that are prescribed by the doctor.
Whoa! You may _test_ whether it is. You don't set out to _prove_, but
to _test_. Be careful how your word your project. A good science fair
project should show that the student understands the basic processes
of science. Testing hypotheses is the key. A project that says it is
setting out to prove something gets marked down right at the start,
and it is hard to recover.
I think that Serratia is a somewhat restricted organism. Your teacher
should check a standard biology supply house that supplies bacteria,
and see if they offer it for school use. You can also contact ATCC
(American Type Culture Collection), but they certainly would not deal
with you as an individual. Whether they will sell it to a school, I
don't know, but nothing wrong with checking.
But why Serratia? Why not a common lab organism, or perhaps one each
gram+ and gram-. A lab strain of Escherichia coli and Bacillus
subtilis would be good choices.
If you have a college nearby, check with them. Go talk with the
microbiology instructor; s/he may be able to provide good safe strains
(and maybe even some supplies, advice, etc).
What kind of dose response curve are you running?
Do you already know something about antibiotic activity in dandelions?
If so, is there any particularly interesting feature, such as activity
on certain types of bacteria? Showing any special characteristics of
the dandelion activity makes it all the more interesting.
I assume you know that many/most common antibiotics are natural
products, but from microbes. Large scale production from microbes is
much easier than from plants.
bob
lynx - 19 Mar 2005 05:50 GMT
>>Where can I get Serratia Marcescens Culture? I you where I can get this
>>cheap like 1 oz. please email me at DrEvil1091@aol.com. I need it for a
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> bob
And, furthermore - it's easy to kill bacteria. What useful antibiotics [and
chemically derived clinical antibacterial agents] do is selectively kill
bacteria and do no [or very little] harm to the [human] host. Plant
alkaloids, phenolics, etc., may show good antibacterial activity - but they
usually show toxicity. The best [most selective] antibiotics are indeed
natural products produced by bacteria. [except for the fungal product
penicillin - the genes for which have been argued to have come from
actinomycete producers]. You'd need to test the lack of toxicity of any
compound [or extract] to show that it could be "as effective as" clinically
used antibacterials. Believe me, the pharmaceutical industry has surveyed
plant extracts for years...
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lynx
Bob - 19 Mar 2005 17:54 GMT
>And, furthermore - it's easy to kill bacteria. What useful antibiotics [and
>chemically derived clinical antibacterial agents] do is selectively kill
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>used antibacterials. Believe me, the pharmaceutical industry has surveyed
>plant extracts for years...
Yes, yes, thanks for the additions!
To the OP... What grade are you in? I think we have assumed you are in
high school, and have had biology, so a good sci fair project at this
level should reflect good understanding, as well as be "fun". (I just
judged our local fair, for MS/HS a couple weeks ago. We have rather
different expectations for 7th grade and 12th grade!) A good
evaluation of how what you did fits into the big picture is important.
We wouldn't expect that you would be able to do the kind of testing
necessary to determine whether something would be a _useful_
antibiotic (which requires work with live animals, or at least some
work with animal cells as a start), but you can do a series of good
experiments, and show that you understand what they do show, and what
their limitations are.
Why not post what you propose to do in more detail? And/or... discuss
it with a microbiology instructor at a local college.
bob
> Where can I get Serratia Marcescens Culture? I you where I can get this
> cheap like 1 oz. please email me at DrEvil1091@aol.com. I need it for a
> science fair project and can not find it anywhere.
>
> I am proving that dandelion roots are just as effective as antibiotics
> that are prescribed by the doctor.
I don't know where you are, but here in Europe, Serratia marcescens is not a
species we'd provide for use in schools (or even by 1st year University
students). If you want a coloured species, Pseudomonas chloraphis (formally
known as Pseudomonas aureofasciens) would be good as it's bright yellow on
peptone agar. If colour doesn't matter, then a Lactobacillus species from
yoghurt or Paracoccus denitrificans would be suitable.
Lesley Robertson
http://www.beijerinck.bt.tudelft.nl
http://kuenen.bt.tudelft.nl