MICROSCOPY ADVICE
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Stjepo - 20 May 2007 14:32 GMT I have been reading the comments in the sci.techniques.microscopy group and I am impressed with the high level of knowledge that Kevin has about microscopes. Hpe he read this.
I was given a used microscope CORRECT TOKIO of SEIWA OPTICAL, in a very good condition http://www.seiwaamerica.com/. It was built in 1988 as it stated in the certification card which comes with it.
My Biological Microscope Model SB-BI-1
1. Total Magnification: 40X, 100X, 400X, 1000X 2. Mechanical Tube Length: 160 mm 3. Tube: 30 degree, inclined binocular tube interpupillary distance adjustment 55-75 mm on both tubes. Dioptric distance adjustment on both tubes, 360 º rotatable. 4. HWF 10X (FN 16.5x pair) 5. Nosepiece: Quadruple with click stops 6. Objective (Din Type) 4X (0.10), 10X (0.25), 40X (0.65), 100XOIL (1.25) 7. Focus Adjustment: Coaxial Type/ Coarse & Fine adjustment (2 mm travel / 0.002 mm sensitivity with safety stopper) 8. Mechanical stage 120 mm X 122 mm with coaxial handle. Travel /35 mm X 75 mm (no idea, maybe) 9. 6V/20W Halogen Lamp Transmitted illuminator with intensity regulator (low voltage 6V/3.5ª) Built in transformer 220-240VAC 10. Condenser: Abbe type N.A. 1.25 condenser with iris diaphragm, filter Rack & pinion focusing mechanism. 11. Dimensions 380mm(H)X300mm(D)X210mm(W) 12. Weight: 6.8Kg 13. Wood Carrying Case
I been making some pictures from it and now I want to improve my Microscope with some devices, therefore I need an expert advice to buy the following:
A. TRINOCULAR HEAD: As the original is very expensive I have found the following offer:
from http://www.radicalindia.com/
"We can supply Trinoclar Head suitable for Saiwa Optical Microscope.
The Inclination angle is 45º, costing US$ 105.00 each (ex-factory).
Photograph attached."
Also they promise to give me the correct circular attachment as mine is 52 mm.
Is it worth or I am wasting my money (original SEIWA trinocular head costs US$ 400)?
B. CONTRAST CONDENSER: Their offer is:
Brand New Phase Contrast Condenser with Objectives 10x, 20x, 40x & 100x Oil with telescopic eyepiece will cost @ US$ 425.00 each Nett Ex- Factory.
Will it make a great difference? Currently I am taking pictures which look like the ones taken with this device using a glass with a dark point in the filter rack of the condenser. Is it worth?
C. DARK FIELD: Also they offer me the following:
Dark-Field Attachment @ US$ 274.00 each
Consists of dark-field condenser and 100x oil immersion with built-in iris diaphragm.
I am asking for an advice because I am completely ignorant in this subject and I have no place to ask. Any comment from you will be appreciated.
Thanking you in advance.
Kevin Cunningham - 21 May 2007 02:06 GMT I have been reading the comments in the sci.techniques.microscopy group and I am impressed with the high level of knowledge that Kevin has about microscopes. Hpe he read this.
I was given a used microscope CORRECT TOKIO of SEIWA OPTICAL, in a very good condition http://www.seiwaamerica.com/. It was built in 1988 as it stated in the certification card which comes with it.
My Biological Microscope Model SB-BI-1
1. Total Magnification: 40X, 100X, 400X, 1000X 2. Mechanical Tube Length: 160 mm 3. Tube: 30 degree, inclined binocular tube interpupillary distance adjustment 55-75 mm on both tubes. Dioptric distance adjustment on both tubes, 360 º rotatable. 4. HWF 10X (FN 16.5x pair) 5. Nosepiece: Quadruple with click stops 6. Objective (Din Type) 4X (0.10), 10X (0.25), 40X (0.65), 100XOIL (1.25) 7. Focus Adjustment: Coaxial Type/ Coarse & Fine adjustment (2 mm travel / 0.002 mm sensitivity with safety stopper) 8. Mechanical stage 120 mm X 122 mm with coaxial handle. Travel /35 mm X 75 mm (no idea, maybe) 9. 6V/20W Halogen Lamp Transmitted illuminator with intensity regulator (low voltage 6V/3.5ª) Built in transformer 220-240VAC 10. Condenser: Abbe type N.A. 1.25 condenser with iris diaphragm, filter Rack & pinion focusing mechanism. 11. Dimensions 380mm(H)X300mm(D)X210mm(W) 12. Weight: 6.8Kg 13. Wood Carrying Case
I been making some pictures from it and now I want to improve my Microscope with some devices, therefore I need an expert advice to buy the following:
A. TRINOCULAR HEAD: As the original is very expensive I have found the following offer:
from http://www.radicalindia.com/
"We can supply Trinoclar Head suitable for Saiwa Optical Microscope.
The Inclination angle is 45º, costing US$ 105.00 each (ex-factory).
Photograph attached."
Also they promise to give me the correct circular attachment as mine is 52 mm.
Is it worth or I am wasting my money (original SEIWA trinocular head costs US$ 400)?
B. CONTRAST CONDENSER: Their offer is:
Brand New Phase Contrast Condenser with Objectives 10x, 20x, 40x & 100x Oil with telescopic eyepiece will cost @ US$ 425.00 each Nett Ex- Factory.
Will it make a great difference? Currently I am taking pictures which look like the ones taken with this device using a glass with a dark point in the filter rack of the condenser. Is it worth?
C. DARK FIELD: Also they offer me the following:
Dark-Field Attachment @ US$ 274.00 each
Consists of dark-field condenser and 100x oil immersion with built-in iris diaphragm.
I am asking for an advice because I am completely ignorant in this subject and I have no place to ask. Any comment from you will be appreciated.
Thanking you in advance. __________________________________________--
Stjepo, Thanks for the kind thoughts. If you just want to have fun then you a microscope to have fun with, real cheap and very poorly built. If fun includes dropping microscopes out of windows, this is the one to use. On the other hand this is *very* poorly designed and made. No one in their right mind makes 160mm microscope anything any more, buying more 160mm for anything serious, like hobby microscopy, is a bad idea. I have never seen either a Radical or a Seiwa and I want to keep it that way.
Now what I'd recommend is buying used. Find a good microscope from any quality manufacturer (Olympus, Nikon, Carl Zeiss or Leica) and build from there. Now it may be a 160mm instrument but the objectives were well made and you can get things like 60X objectives, super wide field eyepeices and high performance objectives if you look carefully.
On to dark field. A hobby is all about having a good time. If dark field makes you happy, buy dark field, if actually seeing the specimen makes you happy dark field is of no use. My customers don't use dark field. The one use I had quit using it because there are easier way to do their technique. One problem with dark field is false negatives, DF has tons of problems with false negatives. Thats what led to dark field being abandoned by 1970 for all intents and purposes.
The microscope you have has is a student instrument at best, its a bad imitation of the Olympus CH-B, its made to be used, and beaten up, about 3 hours a day. The illumination isn't enough for bright field much less anything else. You might want to move up to something really good and long lasting.
Thanks again!
Kevin Cunningham SMS
Stjepo - 22 May 2007 08:45 GMT Dear Kevin:
Thank for your honest answer. As it looks I own a "poorly built Microscope" not to be used for nothing serious. The place it has been used for the last 13 years was a scientific research centre, I assume it was used only a few times as it looks like new, otherwise this "poorly built microscope" would be completely ruined.
Paramecium's, rotifers some amoebas and me have voted for the microscope to stay, considering the possibility of throwing it through the window was not a bad idea, specially if the head of my "loved" neighbour was to be the target but the first issue won. Not being able for me to get a new "good brand used microscope" I am condemned to stay with my "crap" for a while until I learn more about Microscopes.
I had prepared a PDF with some of the pictures I have taken with this "poorly built microscope" and I even have tried to send it to your email but it rebound every time I did.
Till the moment I get a new "good brand used microscope" I will not ask for more advice to an expert in good brands. My mistake was, and allow me to make a resemblance, I requested advice of my little "FORD" to an expert in "MERCEDES", "FERRARI" or "BMW".
The only thing that really confuses me is, how do you know it is a "shitty stuff"? if, using your own words, you "have never seen either a Radical or a Seiwa and I want to keep it that way". Perhaps because as you say "No one in their right mind makes 160mm microscope anything any more", but at the same time you add "...Now it may be a 160mm instrument but the objectives were well made and you can get things like 60X objectives, super wide field eyepieces and high performance objectives if you look carefully". Do you know for sure that the "Correct Tokyo" objectives are "poor quality"?
Thank you very much for your time.
Stjepo
Kevin Cunningham - 22 May 2007 12:49 GMT > Dear Kevin: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Stjepo Stjepo, I have made my living fixing and selling microscopes since 1977. In that period I have never seen any of the brand names you were kind enough to give. There hasn't been a serious maker of 160mm tube length 'scopes since 1992. Prior to that most instruments were of a fixed tube length, either 210 (industrial) or 160mm, biological. The objectives were corrected for the 14 or so things that they have to be corrected for, now some makers do some of this at the eyepiece and some at the objective (think of chrome free Nikons) so you would only use the one makers objectives. This is why older, cheaper 160mm tube length microscopes are a good buy for an amateur. There are microscopes and optics dating back to Abbe's invention of modern optics in 1872. Modern instruments are so different from an amateurs that its not funny. Motor drive, confocal, multi-photon, telecenterism, auto focus are all modern catch words plus now Dr. Hell, Max Plank Inst., is having a 'scope he designed using a new theory of microscopy built by Leica, an American company.
Industrial use accounts for probably 65% to 70% of microscope sales. New amateur sales isn't a blip on the meter. If I had your microscope I'd leave it alone and enjoy the heck out of it. Then I'd start looking for an older instrument to add phase, nomarski, fluoresecence, etc. to for even more fun. I'd wouldn't buy DF ever, but that's just me.
Decades ago I had a customer who informed me that his group had just bought a Swift and he'd show me! This cheap 'scope could do everything....except last. A couple of years later they threw it out. Good stuff lasts, bad stuff doesn't. Its sad to say but I bet I know 99% of the good instruments ever made.
Thank you for your reply,
Kevin Cunningham SMS
Stjepo - 28 May 2007 09:08 GMT Kevin;
Is more than probable that you are right. Experience is important and I appreciate it. From one of your comments I have improved the vision of my current microscope changing the light from 20W to 30W (the transformer is able to cope with this change).
Regards
> > Dear Kevin: > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > - Mostrar texto de la cita - Kevin Cunningham - 28 May 2007 15:15 GMT > Kevin; > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Regards Stjepo,
Now thats clever!
Thanks,
Kevin Cunningham SMS
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