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JimAtQuarktet - 28 Jun 2007 16:19 GMT
Hi All,

I just would like to comment on an advertisement.  Biophotonics ran an
ad for MediaCybernetics AutoQuantX deconvolution process.  I commend
MediaCybernetics for their efforts to mainstream the application of
deconvolution and blind deconvolution.  These methods have proved
their worth in countless published papers and deserve wider
application.

I have objection with the "64-bit deconvolution" bubble.  I believe
this is a statement that their software uses 64-bit processing,
however it is misleading.  Since most imagers are at most 12-bits, you
will not produce 64-bits of information after deconvolution (although
you may get 16).  There is no indication that this will improve your
results.  The bit depth of your imager, and the algorithm you use, are
much more important than the number of digits your computer holds
while processing.

Best Regards,
Jim C
Gary G - 28 Jun 2007 17:08 GMT
>Hi All,
>
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>Best Regards,
>Jim C

The improvement is in speed of results.  Autoquant's blind 2D
deconvolution is excrutiatingly SLOW.  A 64-bit approach allows for
32-bit floating numbers to be processed more quickly and it breaks the
4GB addressing limit of 32-bits.  This lets the app have more RAM and
thus reduce paging to/from disk.  A 64-bit OS also needs 64-bit
hardware platform to make this work.

Kiss French.  Drink California.

gary at gaugler dot com
JimAtQuarktet - 28 Jun 2007 18:41 GMT
Gary,

Anything you can do to speed up image processing methods is
appreciated.  Bit depth is an important issue in deconvolution.
Performing deconvolutions on images with higher bit-depth gives you a
much better shot at an effective restoration.  Perhaps its just my
perspective, but I thought the ad gave the impression that you could
derive 64-bits from either the image or point spread function.
Perhaps "64-bit processing would have been better."

Jim C

> The improvement is in speed of results.  Autoquant's blind 2D
> deconvolution is excrutiatingly SLOW.  A 64-bit approach allows for
> 32-bit floating numbers to be processed more quickly and it breaks the
> 4GB addressing limit of 32-bits.  This lets the app have more RAM and
> thus reduce paging to/from disk.  A 64-bit OS also needs 64-bit
> hardware platform to make this work.
Gary G - 28 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT
>Gary,
>
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>> thus reduce paging to/from disk.  A 64-bit OS also needs 64-bit
>> hardware platform to make this work.

Not sure where they talk about this 64-bit topic.  The app will handle
8-bit RGB and greyscale as well as 12-bit, 14-bit and 16-bit TIFF.
The < 16-bit words are zero-filled from MSB down to the highest valid
data bit.

I rarely used it for RGB LM pix.  My main use was greyscale SEM TIFF.
These files can be very large as 8-bit and really big as 16-bit
(extended 14-bit data).  Running 10-15 iterations would take all day
and likely wind up crashing.  Small RGB files from low rez digicams go
pretty fast.  But it still takes a lot of putzing to get a decent
result.  Their LM flourescence example appears to me as more of a
brightness and contrast issue.  I'd run PS first and then Lucis Pro.

I guess I'm still a dealer for Autoquant but the cost of the app is so
high ($4,500) that there is almost no viable interest in it.  For hard
core LM work at low to medium rez, that is different.  But for SEM, I
use and sell Lucis Pro. For LM I would use Fovea plug-in for PS.

Kiss French.  Drink California.

gary at gaugler dot com
JimAtQuarktet - 29 Jun 2007 16:06 GMT
> >Gary,
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> gary at gaugler dot com

Gary,

You may want to check out my stuff at www.quarktet.com/Gallery1.html.
In addition to what is shown (application to X-ray and microscopy
images), I am working on a paper on applying blind deconvolution to
TEM imaging, to be presented in November.

Jim C

Jim C
 
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