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Natural Science Forum / Physics / Optics / July 2007



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Dumb question on c-mounts

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JoeT - 04 Jul 2007 23:33 GMT
OK...this might be a totally dumb question, but before I spend the
money on the adapter, I want to make sure that I get the right one.

I'm going to mount a older polariod dmc2 camera on a zeiss microscope.
The information for the camera states that for the c-mount adapter,
"Any standard 1:1 c-mount .63mm (.25in) can be used without any
additional adapters".

OK...I'm on the Zeiss site and their adapters are something like:
"Adapter Video 2/3 0.63x".
I looked at other sites and this specification seems to be universal.

Unfortunately, not exactly sure how to translate the camera specs to a
c-mount.

Any translation help here greatly appreciated.

TIA,
Joe
Richard J Kinch - 05 Jul 2007 07:52 GMT
> Any translation help here greatly appreciated.

The Zeiss adapter you cite provides a 0.63x shrink of the standard C-mount
image, suitable for a 2/3 size video chip.

Your camera says it wants a 1.0x (non)shrink on the C-mount image.

So that Zeiss adapter with that camera will fill only 0.63 of the camera
frame with the microscopic image.  Functional, but you're using few of the
camera's pixels.

Depending on how you want to crop the microscopic field onto the camera
frame, you want (I expect) less of a shrink.

Choose a crop factor, and that will determine what C-mount adapter optics
you need.

http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm#cmount
Richard J Kinch - 05 Jul 2007 07:58 GMT
> Choose a crop factor, and that will determine what C-mount adapter
> optics you need.
>
> http://www.truetex.com/micad.htm#cmount

Actually, looking at my own Web page above and your 2/3 chip means you have
an 11mm chip diagonal, so an 0.63X C-mount adapter will give you about that
size of a circular field (11mm diameter), so maybe you have what you want
after all, if you want to crop the camera's rectangle just inside the
scope's circle.
JoeT - 05 Jul 2007 15:01 GMT
Hi...

There are other options on the Zeiss site:
Adapter video 44 C 2/3 0.63x
Adapter video 44 C 1/2 0.5x
Adapter video 44 C 2/3 1.0x

Then there are Adapter video 60 (same other specs) and some others to
boot.

I found them all here:

https://www.micro-shop.zeiss.com/us/us_en/czshop.php?cp_sid=86083c7cdc2&cp_tpl=main

Is the C 2/3 0.63 still the best, given the other options available?

Totally confused.
Joe

> > Choose a crop factor, and that will determine what C-mount adapter
> > optics you need.
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> after all, if you want to crop the camera's rectangle just inside the
> scope's circle.
Richard J Kinch - 06 Jul 2007 06:33 GMT
> Is the C 2/3 0.63 still the best, given the other options available?

What kind of crop do you want?
JoeT - 06 Jul 2007 15:03 GMT
Hi again...

Well, I imagine that the ideal answer is 'none', but then again,
ignorance is bliss and that might be the wrong answer.

Since you're the expert, I'll do whatever you would do in this case.

Joe

> > Is the C 2/3 0.63 still the best, given the other options available?
>
> What kind of crop do you want?
Richard J Kinch - 06 Jul 2007 22:12 GMT
> Well, I imagine that the ideal answer is 'none', but then again,
> ignorance is bliss and that might be the wrong answer.

Specify how you want to crop the circular field onto the camera rectangle.  
Inscribed, outscribed, in between, what?
Victor - 28 Jul 2007 22:22 GMT
Use the 1.0x C-Mount with the Polaroid DMC.

The chip Size of the DMC is a little too big to use the 0.63x C-Mount,
and you will get vignetting.

Your best bet, since a 1x C-Mount is nothing but a piece of metal with
the appropriate thread on one side, and a flange on the other, with no
optics of any kind, to use a 3rd party C-Mount adapter (Diagnostic
Instruments has Direct Projection C-Mounts fairly cheap, or if your
scope is a newer model Axio, then use a Motic C-Mount, they fit fine,
and are very cheap)

Victor
 
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