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challengecrypto@gmail.com - 19 Sep 2007 14:40 GMT
Hello,

I'm looking for my first microscope, which will be a stereo
microscope. I''ve searched among major brands (Nikon, Olympus, Leica,
Zeiss...) and the only one that fit my budget (around 1000$) is the
Leica EZ4. Having looked at brochures, this microscope seems to be a
good product. I've also found that Motic (less-known brand) has one
from about 300$ less. Would you suggest me to get the Leica? I
wouldn't mind paying 300$ extra if it's for getting a good experience.
I know that a bad microscope could lead me to give up this hobby.

Also, the basic EZ4 comes with 10x eyepieces, which give magnification
of 8x to 35x. Upgrading to 16x eyepieces or more quickly raises the
price...Here's my second question: Will a magnification up to 35x be
useful to observe details that we don't see or have difficulty to see
with naked eyes? Would additional 15x magnification for couple
hundreds more be recommended? My only concern is that I don't want to
get a magnification/experience that could have been almost as good
with a cheap magnifying glass.

Thanks a lot.
heliogabalus - 19 Sep 2007 17:48 GMT
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i don't like the 'No removable parts for highest reliability and less chance
of broken or lost parts' characteristic: it's only good for educational
purposes

for 1300$ i've just ordered on ebay a new stereoscopic microscope (oem) with
Nikon SMZ645 optical system, two objectives, a trinocular head and an
external camera (2048 x 1536) usb interfaced

so my suggestion is: try ebay, from a trustworthy seller
bobmarable@earthlink.net - 19 Sep 2007 18:47 GMT
On Sep 19, 9:40 am, "challengecry...@gmail.com"
<challengecry...@gmail.com> wrote:
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You're facing a common and difficult choice--there is no right
answer-------------------
I can't personally say anything about Motic scopes, I've never owned
one; however, Zeiss, one of the best scope makers in the world, has
sub-contracted  Motic to build Zeiss' new entry level scope, the
"PrimoStar", which carries the Zeiss name.  More investigation and
research on Motic might be worth the effort.
Good Luck!
Pierre-François - 20 Sep 2007 14:22 GMT
Try ebay, I got recently for cheap a NIKON SMZ800 binocular very nice to
which I added a trinocular tube.
A really nice setup still to the NIKON catalog.

Good luck
pf

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stephan_brugger@hotmail.com - 24 Sep 2007 19:52 GMT
On 19 Sep., 15:40, "challengecry...@gmail.com"
<challengecry...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Thanks a lot.

As a stereo for beginners the EZ4 offers an excellent magnification
range. The 8x gives you enough field of view to get an overview on the
specimen (diameter you'll see is: 25 mm) and the zooming function to
go as high as 35x gives you enough power to see the details you want
to observe.

The 16x Eyepieces offer less field of view to start with but give you
a higher mangification. I personally would recommend the10x over the
16x Eyepieces unless you want to observe very small samples.

One of the most crucial parts of a stereo is it's illumination. The
EZ4 offers you LED illumination that give you a "cold light". This
means that the samples do not dry out easily and are not exposed to UV
light that usually come from tungsten or halogen bulbs. Motic is
offering a Halogen bulb for the incident illumination. Switch it on
for 10 Minutes and then try to re-adjust the illumination -- you'll
get a burning experience 'cause it's hot.
Another advantage of the LED illumination of the EZ4 is the the
daylight colour they offer. The specimen can be observed under
"daylight" conditions and the colors are true colors. With halogen or
tungsten colors tend to be yellowish.

The LED have a much longer life time than conventional illumination.
Safe 300 $ in the first place but spend it over time on spare bulbs.

The EZ4 is the best stereo in its class money can buy.

Stephan
Victor - 27 Sep 2007 00:23 GMT
I provide both Zeiss and Motic stereomicroscopes, and spent almost 20
years selling Leica, and have to say, Motic has really come a long way
in their instruments.   Motic stereomicroscopes are really good
instruments.   The current design team consists of former Nikon
designers, which is why you'll see a lot of "Nikon" feel to their
scopes.  For the price range, the Motic instrument is a real contender
these days, the SMZ 168, for instance has the look, feel and rough
quality of the old standard Nikon SMZ2B, and has a Zoom Range that'll
blow the Chinese Leicas out of the water (0.7-5x).   What's more, the
Leica scope has a very awkward viewing angle as opposed to the
standard 35 degrees you'll find on the Motic.

I'd give them a serious look, they're really becoming a good reliable
source of scopes at a very attractive price.  You could do a hybrid
and get a Motic scope on a Meiji LED stand if LED's are an issue for
you.

Victor
 
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