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Opps - 23 Nov 2004 12:55 GMT
Hi,
   I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
top port of a Zeiss200 I get an image corresponding to only a fraction of
the field of view. Any suggestion in order to collect the complete field of
view?
Thanks
Ale
Kevin Cunningham - 23 Nov 2004 13:02 GMT
> Hi,
>    I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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> Thanks
> Ale

Ale,  You can't get the whole field since your trying to take a rectangle
out of a circle.  If you decrease the power of the photo eyepiece that would
help.

Kevin
Opps - 23 Nov 2004 13:15 GMT
Well... that is trivial :)
I meant that the rectangular field of view is only a small fraction of the
circular field of view.
Furthermore I could also image the circle in the rectangle (very often this
happens)....

Anyway... photo eyepiece... I use the optical output port with C-mount... no
eyepiece... no optical relay.... I think I have to add one or two
appropriate lenses in the C-mount...

For example, the camera I have on the side port... image a bigger (and more
appropriated) field of view...
thanks

> > Hi,
> >    I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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>
> Kevin
Franco Del Principe - 23 Nov 2004 13:44 GMT
> Hi,
>     I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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> Thanks
> Ale

Ale,

You could ask your local Zeiss rep whether they have a
c-mount adapter with a different magnification (typical is
0.5x, I think).

Or you go directly to Thales-Optem and choose a c-mount with
an appropriate fixed magnification or with a zoom.

http://www.thales-optem.com/videocouplers.html

Cheers,

Franco
RCHIOVETTI - 23 Nov 2004 17:50 GMT
>I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
>top port of a Zeiss200 I get an image corresponding to only a fraction of
>the field of view. Any suggestion in order to collect the complete field of
>view?

Hi Ale,

I agree with Franco.  The problem is just a mismatch between the size of the
camera chip and the magnification of the C-mount adapter.  Your Zeiss dealer
should be able to help.

For a 1/2" CCD chip, you need a C-mount adapter with 0.5X magnification factor.


If you have a 0.63X c-mount adapter, the image will be slightly magnified, and
if you have a 1.0X C-mount adapter, the image will be *greatly* magnified.

Some of the 1.0X C-mounts will not have any lenses in them...they are just
"straight-through" metal tubes.  Take a look inside the adapter.  If you see no
lenses in it at all, that's a sure indication that you have a 1.0X adapter.

Replacing the adapter with one that's 0.5X will solve your problem.

Best,

Bob Chiovetti
Opps - 24 Nov 2004 14:02 GMT
well, I am sorry... I wrote fast the post and I didn't realize I gave too
few information.
My C-mount is with no lenses and I just don't know if it is better to use
only one lens to correct the magnification or an optical train.
I have a Newport set of lenses, but I don't know exactly which lens select
(if I have) to put in the optical path.
I work for long time with microscopes, but my background in pure optics is
scarce! :(

> >I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
> >top port of a Zeiss200 I get an image corresponding to only a fraction of
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>
> Bob Chiovetti
Aaron - 23 Nov 2004 23:40 GMT
You have alredy been given the answer in short form. The output of the
microscope is larger than the chip size.  You need a reducing lens in
the c-mount to focus a larger portion of the output of the microscope
onto the chip.  

What has not been indicated is that your current setup produces
unintended empty magnification.  The empty magnification occurs
because a small portion of the microscope image is captured on the
chip and then is expanded digitally beyond the abiltiy of the
objective.  Condiser that the 1X c-mount is designed for a 1"
(diagonal) CCD chip.  With a 0.5" chip only 25% of the information
falls on the chip..  Thus the unintended magnification factor is 4X
It is analgous to using a 40X eyepiece or an additional 4X digital
zoom to enlarge the image.  The image is large but the information is
limited.  

Aaron    

>Hi,
>    I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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>Thanks
>Ale
GTO - 25 Nov 2004 04:03 GMT
I just sent out a post for a similar request to nikonians.org. Here's the
link. I think the document mentioned there will help you in finding the
right combination of adapter and photo relay lens.

http://www.nikonians.org/dcforum/DCForumID63/568.html

Gregor

> Hi,
>    I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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> Thanks
> Ale
Gary G - 25 Nov 2004 04:25 GMT
>Hi,
>    I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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>Thanks
>Ale

The Zeiss needs .67X or .66X phototube.

Gary Gaugler, Ph.D.
Microtechnics, Inc.
Granite Bay, CA 95746
916.791.8191
gary@microtechnics dot com
Chris Brady - 29 Nov 2004 14:29 GMT
Are there any optics in your adapter ? If not then you need a 0.5x or .63x
adapter which you can get from Zeiss.

Regards

Chris
> Hi,
>    I have a CCD with a 1/2" chip with a C-mount adapter. Connected to the
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> Thanks
> Ale
 
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