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jupiterscientific2004b@yahoo.com - 02 Jan 2006 05:21 GMT
The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
have been posted at

http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/sciencesalaries.html

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Petra - 02 Jan 2006 05:45 GMT
> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
> have been posted at
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> and other means of communication
> http://www.jupiterscientific.org

It looks as though the "hands on" professions provide the great
remuneration
IE:  A. Doctors and  B. Attorneys.  A reaps and B rewards.

Has anyone in geo-sciences ever won a Nobel prize?  If so, for what?

Petra
George - 02 Jan 2006 06:17 GMT
>> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
>> have been posted at
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>
> Petra

Good question.  AFAIK, no one has.

George
Petra - 02 Jan 2006 08:06 GMT
> "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> George

My Goodness George, I have no idea what AFAIK might mean and though
curious, I'm rather afraid to ask.   But it has the same feel as BOHICA
prounouced BOW HE KA.  It too is an interesting colloquialism.

I wrote to the Nobel Foundation this evening and asked them if a
geo-scientist ever won a Nobel prize and also if for example a
seismologist were to predict an important earthquake publically which
resulted in a scientific achievement and a humanitarian effort at the
same time, if that would qualify him/her for a prize.  When the results
are delivered, I'll let you know.

Petra
George - 02 Jan 2006 09:35 GMT
>> "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >
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> Petra

AFAIK=As far as I know.  :-)

I await you further posts.

George
Mike Williams - 02 Jan 2006 13:04 GMT
Re: Nobel Prizes in Geoscience:

This is from http://www.iagi.or.id/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=230 
(an interesting read):
<<The Nobel Prize is the most widely recognized award given to scientists.
Unfortunately, geology is not one of the three Nobel sciences (physics,
chemistry, medicine). What is the nearest thing to a Nobel Prize for
geology?
http://geology.about.com/od/peoplecareers/a/aa_prizes.htm >>

Mike Williams
Arroyo Grande, CA USA

>> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
>> have been posted at
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>
> Petra
John - 02 Jan 2006 15:53 GMT
The Crafoord Prize, although it is shared with other disciplines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crafoord_Prize
Petra - 02 Jan 2006 18:43 GMT
Thanks John,

It's wonderful to know that after "Great Moments in Geosciences" there
is a golden chalice at the end of the rainbow.  Somehow I would not be
the least bit surprised if some years from now I read that you received
it.

Petra
rick++ - 03 Jan 2006 18:23 GMT
I wouldnt rule out a physics prize going to some aspect
of geophysics.   The prizes are bit "leaky" sometimes
crossing over into astronomy or biology.

I'd guess some crucial insight into the earth's magnetic
field might qualify.   My best guess would be the work
by Glatzmier and Richards that (1) first predicted the
magnetic field pushes the inner core to rotate slightly
faster than the rest of earth (2) and second being able
to observe this via seismic anisotropy.

The whole earth is sometimes used as an [astro]physical
observatory.  Perhaps if they discover some new aspect
of physics this way, this could qualify.  The question whether
gravitation of magnetism is pure inverse-squared crops
up now an then.  People have added an extra term to the
basic equations that distance limited.  There was some hallabuloo
about such a case in gravitation, then many careful experiments
to rule experimental artifacts (the case).
People have looked at very low frequency seismology (unsuccessfully)
for evidence of gravity waves or stange particles passin through the
earth. The motivating principle it to harness a detector that is
eight thousand miles wide.
Scott - 03 Jan 2006 13:59 GMT
>>The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
>>have been posted at
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>
> Petra

I recall reading something once, somewhere, that
Vilhelm Bjerknes was considered way back when for
the prize in physics.

See, for example, <http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/14/11/7/1>

Scott
William Asher - 03 Jan 2006 20:40 GMT
>> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
>> have been posted at
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>
> Petra

If you include atm. chemistry as being part of geosciences then Rowlands,
Molina and Crutzen won the Nobel in chemistry in 1995 for their work on the
effect of CFC's on stratospheric ozone.  

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Aidan Karley - 05 Jan 2006 13:00 GMT
> Has anyone in geo-sciences ever won a Nobel prize?  If so, for what?

      I don't think there's a category from the Nobel Commission for
"geoscience" in any sense. ... Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or
Medicine, Literature, Peace, Economic Sciences. Kind of leaves out the
geosciences, doesn't it. "Maths" per se is also left out, hence the
Fields Medal is often described as the "Nobel for maths".
      I'm not really sure what would be considered as the "highest
award" in the geosciences. There's a small plethora of awards from
national or regional bodies (a few days ago I was reading the citation
for SJ Gould getting awarded an honourary FGS for 2001; ironical
considering how they mentioned his recovery from cancer in the 80s),
but I'd suspect they tend somewhat to the parochial considering the
high fieldwork content of most geosciences work.
     
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Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: 57°10'11" N,  02°08'43"  W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233

Brent Lofgren - 05 Jan 2006 19:26 GMT
>>The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists
>>have been posted at
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>
> Petra

If you define geosciences broadly enough to include stratospheric
chemistry, the 1995 Nobel Prize in Chemistry went to Paul Crutzen, Mario
Molina, and F. Sherwood Rowland for elucidating the mechanisms behind
the antarctic ozone hole.

The Blue Planet Prize is an award for environmental studies, and thus
subtends many geosciences areas, and includes a large cash stipend, like
the Nobel.  It is sponsored by the Asahi Glass Foundation.  2005 winners
are Professor Sir Nicholas Shackleton and Dr. Gordon Hisashi Sato.

Brent
Jo Schaper - 05 Jan 2006 22:15 GMT
>> Has anyone in geo-sciences ever won a Nobel prize?  If so, for what?
>>
>> Petra

I'd say the Curie-Bequerel award for radioactivity is pretty close to
geology.

From the About.dot.com article:
"The Nobel Prize's caretakers at the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
do have the Crafoord Prize, meant to recognize and support sciences
beyond Nobel's original three. The geosciences take turns with
mathematics, astronomy and biosciences, coming up every fourth year. The
$500,000 prize is awarded to fund research, there's a nice medal, and
the academy holds a symposium for winners, but there's no party with the
King of Sweden and no world headlines. Its geologic winners are people
of the first rank, but the Crafoord Prize is clearly not as grand a
thing as the Nobel, nor is it awarded for the same criteria."

Remember, the Nobel was founded by the man who made his money in
dynamite--used in mining. Hence, the geological industries were/are
*supporting* the Nobel prizes. But what geological advances have
supported/benefitted mankind, which cannot be subsumed under physics or
chemistry? I don't know of any.

I always assumed that the US GSA's Penrose Medal was given to 'best of
the best' in the US" at least.
Aidan Karley - 06 Jan 2006 16:00 GMT
> But what geological advances have
> supported/benefitted mankind, which cannot be subsumed under physics or
> chemistry? I don't know of any.

      Understanding of the history of life isn't part of either physics
or chemistry, and I would contend that this understanding is very
important to the self-knowledge of humanity. It doesn't necessarily put
food on people's plates, but it's important nonetheless. That's one reason
the god-squaddies get so upset about having their notions on the same
theme disproved.
     
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Aidan Karley FGS
Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: 57°10'11" N,  02°08'43"  W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233

Jo Schaper - 06 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT
>>But what geological advances have
>>supported/benefitted mankind, which cannot be subsumed under physics or
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> theme disproved.
>        

Aha. But some geos in America are redrawing the lines on that study. As
recently as my course two years ago, paleontology had been restyled
'paleo-biology' and we had a number of biology majors in the class. This
may be to distance themselves from the whole creationism silliness, but
the concept that paleontology was the province of geologists is changing...
Aidan Karley - 07 Jan 2006 13:00 GMT
> Aha. But some geos in America are redrawing the lines on that study. As
> recently as my course two years ago, paleontology had been restyled
> 'paleo-biology' and we had a number of biology majors in the class.

      That's perfectly reasonable. Do the same people also have courses
in palaeoecology as an extension of their ecology courses?
      I was struggling a little to come up with the term that came out as
"history of life" in my previous message, because I wanted to express not
just what happened to the organisms themselves, but also their
environments, their effects on the environment etc. Two of the biggest
elements in the history of the Earth's surface as a whole are the
appearance of life with almost indecent haste after the cessation of major
asteroidal bombardment, and the poisoning of the early biota by the toxic
waste of early photosynthetic organisms. But neither is solely concerned
with "bugs" themselves.
      Geology touches so many bases in other sciences.
     
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Aidan Karley FGS
Aberdeen, Scotland,
Location: 57°10'11" N,  02°08'43"  W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233

rick++ - 02 Jan 2006 19:59 GMT
This is pretty much in line with our state salary survey-
in the $80Ks for most experienced physical scientists.
However, industrial geoscientists are now starting at $80K and
averaging $140K according their survey.
 
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