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jupiterscientific2004b@yahoo.com - 02 Jan 2006 05:21 GMT The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists have been posted at
http://www.jupiterscientific.org/sciinfo/sciencesalaries.html
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Petra - 02 Jan 2006 05:45 GMT > The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists > have been posted at [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and other means of communication > http://www.jupiterscientific.org It looks as though the "hands on" professions provide the great remuneration IE: A. Doctors and B. Attorneys. A reaps and B rewards.
Has anyone in geo-sciences ever won a Nobel prize? If so, for what?
Petra
George - 02 Jan 2006 06:17 GMT >> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists >> have been posted at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Petra Good question. AFAIK, no one has.
George
Petra - 02 Jan 2006 08:06 GMT > "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > George My Goodness George, I have no idea what AFAIK might mean and though curious, I'm rather afraid to ask. But it has the same feel as BOHICA prounouced BOW HE KA. It too is an interesting colloquialism.
I wrote to the Nobel Foundation this evening and asked them if a geo-scientist ever won a Nobel prize and also if for example a seismologist were to predict an important earthquake publically which resulted in a scientific achievement and a humanitarian effort at the same time, if that would qualify him/her for a prize. When the results are delivered, I'll let you know.
Petra
George - 02 Jan 2006 09:35 GMT >> "Petra" <petrasrcf@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Petra AFAIK=As far as I know. :-)
I await you further posts.
George
Mike Williams - 02 Jan 2006 13:04 GMT Re: Nobel Prizes in Geoscience:
This is from http://www.iagi.or.id/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=230 (an interesting read): <<The Nobel Prize is the most widely recognized award given to scientists. Unfortunately, geology is not one of the three Nobel sciences (physics, chemistry, medicine). What is the nearest thing to a Nobel Prize for geology? http://geology.about.com/od/peoplecareers/a/aa_prizes.htm >>
Mike Williams Arroyo Grande, CA USA
>> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists >> have been posted at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Petra John - 02 Jan 2006 15:53 GMT The Crafoord Prize, although it is shared with other disciplines: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crafoord_Prize
Petra - 02 Jan 2006 18:43 GMT Thanks John,
It's wonderful to know that after "Great Moments in Geosciences" there is a golden chalice at the end of the rainbow. Somehow I would not be the least bit surprised if some years from now I read that you received it.
Petra
rick++ - 03 Jan 2006 18:23 GMT I wouldnt rule out a physics prize going to some aspect of geophysics. The prizes are bit "leaky" sometimes crossing over into astronomy or biology.
I'd guess some crucial insight into the earth's magnetic field might qualify. My best guess would be the work by Glatzmier and Richards that (1) first predicted the magnetic field pushes the inner core to rotate slightly faster than the rest of earth (2) and second being able to observe this via seismic anisotropy.
The whole earth is sometimes used as an [astro]physical observatory. Perhaps if they discover some new aspect of physics this way, this could qualify. The question whether gravitation of magnetism is pure inverse-squared crops up now an then. People have added an extra term to the basic equations that distance limited. There was some hallabuloo about such a case in gravitation, then many careful experiments to rule experimental artifacts (the case). People have looked at very low frequency seismology (unsuccessfully) for evidence of gravity waves or stange particles passin through the earth. The motivating principle it to harness a detector that is eight thousand miles wide.
Scott - 03 Jan 2006 13:59 GMT >>The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists >>have been posted at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Petra I recall reading something once, somewhere, that Vilhelm Bjerknes was considered way back when for the prize in physics.
See, for example, <http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/14/11/7/1>
Scott
William Asher - 03 Jan 2006 20:40 GMT >> The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists >> have been posted at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Petra If you include atm. chemistry as being part of geosciences then Rowlands, Molina and Crutzen won the Nobel in chemistry in 1995 for their work on the effect of CFC's on stratospheric ozone.
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Aidan Karley - 05 Jan 2006 13:00 GMT > Has anyone in geo-sciences ever won a Nobel prize? If so, for what? I don't think there's a category from the Nobel Commission for "geoscience" in any sense. ... Physics, Chemistry, Physiology or Medicine, Literature, Peace, Economic Sciences. Kind of leaves out the geosciences, doesn't it. "Maths" per se is also left out, hence the Fields Medal is often described as the "Nobel for maths". I'm not really sure what would be considered as the "highest award" in the geosciences. There's a small plethora of awards from national or regional bodies (a few days ago I was reading the citation for SJ Gould getting awarded an honourary FGS for 2001; ironical considering how they mentioned his recovery from cancer in the 80s), but I'd suspect they tend somewhat to the parochial considering the high fieldwork content of most geosciences work.
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Brent Lofgren - 05 Jan 2006 19:26 GMT >>The latest figures for the salaries of scientists including geologists >>have been posted at [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Petra If you define geosciences broadly enough to include stratospheric chemistry, the 1995 Nobel Prize in Chemistry went to Paul Crutzen, Mario Molina, and F. Sherwood Rowland for elucidating the mechanisms behind the antarctic ozone hole.
The Blue Planet Prize is an award for environmental studies, and thus subtends many geosciences areas, and includes a large cash stipend, like the Nobel. It is sponsored by the Asahi Glass Foundation. 2005 winners are Professor Sir Nicholas Shackleton and Dr. Gordon Hisashi Sato.
Brent
Jo Schaper - 05 Jan 2006 22:15 GMT >> Has anyone in geo-sciences ever won a Nobel prize? If so, for what? >> >> Petra I'd say the Curie-Bequerel award for radioactivity is pretty close to geology.
From the About.dot.com article: "The Nobel Prize's caretakers at the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences do have the Crafoord Prize, meant to recognize and support sciences beyond Nobel's original three. The geosciences take turns with mathematics, astronomy and biosciences, coming up every fourth year. The $500,000 prize is awarded to fund research, there's a nice medal, and the academy holds a symposium for winners, but there's no party with the King of Sweden and no world headlines. Its geologic winners are people of the first rank, but the Crafoord Prize is clearly not as grand a thing as the Nobel, nor is it awarded for the same criteria."
Remember, the Nobel was founded by the man who made his money in dynamite--used in mining. Hence, the geological industries were/are *supporting* the Nobel prizes. But what geological advances have supported/benefitted mankind, which cannot be subsumed under physics or chemistry? I don't know of any.
I always assumed that the US GSA's Penrose Medal was given to 'best of the best' in the US" at least.
Aidan Karley - 06 Jan 2006 16:00 GMT > But what geological advances have > supported/benefitted mankind, which cannot be subsumed under physics or > chemistry? I don't know of any. Understanding of the history of life isn't part of either physics or chemistry, and I would contend that this understanding is very important to the self-knowledge of humanity. It doesn't necessarily put food on people's plates, but it's important nonetheless. That's one reason the god-squaddies get so upset about having their notions on the same theme disproved.
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Jo Schaper - 06 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT >>But what geological advances have >>supported/benefitted mankind, which cannot be subsumed under physics or [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > theme disproved. > Aha. But some geos in America are redrawing the lines on that study. As recently as my course two years ago, paleontology had been restyled 'paleo-biology' and we had a number of biology majors in the class. This may be to distance themselves from the whole creationism silliness, but the concept that paleontology was the province of geologists is changing...
Aidan Karley - 07 Jan 2006 13:00 GMT > Aha. But some geos in America are redrawing the lines on that study. As > recently as my course two years ago, paleontology had been restyled > 'paleo-biology' and we had a number of biology majors in the class. That's perfectly reasonable. Do the same people also have courses in palaeoecology as an extension of their ecology courses? I was struggling a little to come up with the term that came out as "history of life" in my previous message, because I wanted to express not just what happened to the organisms themselves, but also their environments, their effects on the environment etc. Two of the biggest elements in the history of the Earth's surface as a whole are the appearance of life with almost indecent haste after the cessation of major asteroidal bombardment, and the poisoning of the early biota by the toxic waste of early photosynthetic organisms. But neither is solely concerned with "bugs" themselves. Geology touches so many bases in other sciences.
 Signature Aidan Karley FGS Aberdeen, Scotland, Location: 57°10'11" N, 02°08'43" W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
rick++ - 02 Jan 2006 19:59 GMT This is pretty much in line with our state salary survey- in the $80Ks for most experienced physical scientists. However, industrial geoscientists are now starting at $80K and averaging $140K according their survey.
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