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microstructure of nephrite, and dust hazards

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Jack Campin - bogus address - 16 Jun 2008 20:59 GMT
I believe nephrite (New Zealand greenstone, pounamu) has a microscopically
fibrous structure.

What happens when you grind it to dust?

I have a small piece I'd like to work into a pendant.  If it breaks up
into fibres with the same sort of hazard potential as blue asbestos I'd
have to rethink.

Anybody know for sure?

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John Passaneau - 17 Jun 2008 15:02 GMT
> I believe nephrite (New Zealand greenstone, pounamu) has a
> microscopically fibrous structure.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557 CD-ROMs and free stuff:
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Hi Jack:

I can find no specific information on that material but I did a quick web
search and found nothing that suggested that it was anymore hazardous than
any other hard rock. But grinding any rock can cause hazardous dust. Always
grid rocks with a wet grinding medium and wear a dust mask. It is never
safe to polish any rock with out taking precautions.
This is a must no mater what kind or rock your working.

John Passaneau
george p - 17 Jun 2008 16:31 GMT
On Jun 16, 9:59 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address
<bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I believe nephrite (New Zealand greenstone, pounamu) has a microscopically
> fibrous structure.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
> CD-ROMs and free stuff:  Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts

Nephrite is fibrous actinolite and therefore is a form of amphibole-
asbestos.  Therefore, be aware of the potential health hazards.  Use a
search engine and look for: actinolite health hazard     and you can
read up on it.

George
Jo Schaper - 18 Jun 2008 03:51 GMT
> On Jun 16, 9:59 pm, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> George

On the other hand, if you are making a single piece of jewelry or a
carving, and wear a dust mask when wet cutting, I think the risk is
probably miniscule. With the mask, you likely get less junk in your
lungs than when I dust the house, or it is a bad air quality day
outside, or a person enters a smoky pizza joint or bar.

Don't know what your intent is, but if it is nephrite which is
microcrystalline enough to withstand cutting and take a high polish, it
 likely won't separate into fibers. At the height of the US asbestos
scare in the early 1980s, people were pulling tigereye jewelry from sale
because of its alleged hazard. That seemed a little like overkill to me.
Jack Campin - bogus address - 18 Jun 2008 09:17 GMT
>>> I have a small piece [of nephrite] I'd like to work into a pendant.
>>> If it breaks up into fibres with the same sort of hazard potential
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> lungs than when I dust the house, or it is a bad air quality day
> outside, or a person enters a smoky pizza joint or bar.

Asbestos fibres have a different level of risk.  Other kinds of
mineral dust may cause obstructive disease when you breathe enough;
with asbestos, the carcinogenic effect operates at much lower doses.
There is no safe level of exposure.

> Don't know what your intent is, but if it is nephrite which is
> microcrystalline enough to withstand cutting and take a high polish,
> it likely won't separate into fibers.

I was going to use a motorized grinding wheel to rough out the shape.
That certainly would produce fibres, if they're there to be produced.

> At the height of the US asbestos
> scare in the early 1980s, people were pulling tigereye jewelry from sale
> because of its alleged hazard. That seemed a little like overkill to me.

Yes, like scrapping uranium-glazed pottery.  Fibres are hardly going
to leap out of a polished stone and down your lungs.

It would be interesting to know what happens to workers in Chinese
jade trinket factories.  (I presume jade has the same sort of problem).
Nothing good, I'd bet.

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Jo Schaper - 18 Jun 2008 13:39 GMT
>>>> I have a small piece [of nephrite] I'd like to work into a pendant.
>>>> If it breaks up into fibres with the same sort of hazard potential
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> with asbestos, the carcinogenic effect operates at much lower doses.
> There is no safe level of exposure.

Um...my grandfather was a carpenter who died of asbestos-related lung
cancer. He was out there for years, with no mask, blowing insulation in
to buildings in the 1940s and 50s. I know more about asbestos than I
care to, already. He lived to 75, though the end wasn't pretty. I also
live in a town with a silica plant-- the first place in the US to sue
for damages due to silicosis "white lung".

I cave, where I am exposed to elevated levels of radon, and all sorts of
risks underground. But I cave for a couple of hours a month-- it isn't
like a 40 hour employment exposure, or having a 'hot' basement.

I don't buy the "there is no safe level of exposure". We live on a
planet filled with toxic substances,and there is no way we can avoid
exposure to them. We can do a really good job of lessening exposure, but
there is no happy world where no toxic exposures exist.

The decision to accept or not accept the risk is yours, of course. I
still don't think creating one piece of jewelry using appropriate
protection is more hazardous to one's health than driving in traffic.
(My standard of risk.)
Best wishes,
 Jo Schaper
Jean - 16 Jun 2008 21:22 GMT
Jo Schaper a écrit dans le message ...
>>>>> I have a small piece [of nephrite] I'd like to work into a pendant.
>>>>> If it breaks up into fibres with the same sort of hazard potential
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>Best wishes,
>  Jo Schaper

Jo Schaper is right in geneal about risks.
However nephrite is far from fibrous.  It is very compact and makes ups
along with jadeite  what  is called jade.  Many years ago I found some
nephrite along North Clear Creek canyon in Colorado  next to what is now the
water treatment
plant.   A local artist made some fine jewelry out of it.  The rock in which
it was found was not local but dumped there by a road crew.  I was never
able to find out it's origins.  Anyone going up to Blackhawk  to gamble may
want to check out some of the rocks along the road next to the treatment
plant.

JL
 
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