Ekpyrotic Universe theory
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Spud - 08 Jun 2004 13:05 GMT Details of the Ekpyrotic Universe theory
Authors: (Justin Khoury, Princeton; Burt Ovrut, UPenn; Paul Steinhardt, Princeton and Neil Turok, Cambridge):
Our paper proposes a new theory of the very early universe that resolves the famous puzzles of the hot Big Bang picture -- the horizon, flatness and monopole problems -- and that generates fluctuations in energy that seed galaxy formation and produce temperature variations in the cosmic microwave background. The model is based on the idea that our hot Big Bang universe was created from the collision of two three-dimensional worlds moving along a hidden, extra dimension.
The inflationary model of the universe developed in the 1980's by Alan Guth (MIT), Andre Linde (Stanford), Andreas Albrecht (UC Davis) and Steinhardt was designed to resolve these very same problems, relying on a period of exponential hyper-expansion, or inflation.
Conceptually, the Ekpyrotic model is very different. There is no inflation or rapid change happening at all. The approach to collision takes places very slowly over an exceedingly long period of time. It is quite fascinating that rapid change and very slow change can produce nearly the same effects.
The difference results in one distinctive observational prediction, though: Inflationary cosmology predicts a spectrum of gravitational waves that may be detectable in the cosmic microwave background. The Ekpyrotic model predicts no gravitational wave effects should be observable in the cosmic microwave background.
In the Ekpyrotic model, when the two three-dimensional worlds collide and "stick," the kinetic energy in the collision is converted to the quarks, electrons, photons, etc. that are confined to move along three dimensions. The resulting temperature is finite, so the hot Big Bang phase begins without a singularity. The universe is homogeneous because the collision and initiation of the Big Bang phase occurs nearly simultaneously everywhere.
The energetically preferred geometry for the two worlds is flat, so their collision produces a flat Big Bang universe. According to Einstein's equations, this means that the total energy density of the universe is equal to the critical density. Massive magnetic monopoles, which are over-abundantly produced in the standard Big Bang theory, are not produced at all in this scenario because the temperature after collision is far too small to produce any of these massive particles.
Quantum effects cause the incoming three-dimensional world to ripple along the extra-dimension prior to collision so that the collision occurs in some places at slightly different times than others. By the time the collision is complete, the rippling leads to small variations in temperature, which seed temperature fluctuations in the microwave background and the formation of galaxies. We have shown that the spectrum of energy density fluctuations is scale-invariant (the same amplitude on all scales). The production of a scale-invariant spectrum from hyper-expansion was one of the great triumphs of inflationary theory, and here we have repeated the feat using completely different physics.
The building blocks of the Ekpyrotic theory are derived from Superstring theory. Superstring theory requires extra dimensions for mathematical consistency. In most formulations, 10 dimensions are required. In the mid 1990s, Petr Horava (Rutgers) and Ed Witten (IAS, Princeton) argued that, under certain conditions, an additional dimension opens up over a finite interval. Six dimensions are presumed to be curled up in a microscopic ball, called a Calabi-Yau manifold.
The ball is too small to be noticed in everyday experience, and so our universe appears to be a four-dimensional (three space dimensions and one time dimension) surface embedded in a five-dimensional space-time. This five-dimensional theory, called heterotic M-theory, was formulated by Andre Lukas (Sussex). Ovrut and Dan Waldram (Queen Mary and Westfield College, London). According to Horava-Witten and heterotic M-theory, particles are constrained to move on one of the three-dimensional boundaries on either side of the extra dimensional interval.
Our visible universe would be one of these boundaries; the other boundary and the intervening space would be hidden because particles and light cannot travel across the intervening space. Only gravity is able to couple matter on one boundary to the other sides. In addition, there can exist other three-dimensional hyper-surfaces in the interval, which lie parallel to the outer boundaries and which can carry energy.
These intervening planes are called branes. The collision that ignites the hot Big Bang phase of the Ekpyrotic model occurs when a three-dimensional brane is attracted to and collides into the boundary corresponding to our visible universe.
The term ekpyrosis means "conflagration" in Greek, and refers to an ancient Stoic cosmological model. According to the model, the universe is created in a sudden burst of fire, not unlike the collision between three-dimensional worlds in our model. The current universe evolves from the initial fire. However, in the Stoic notion, the process may repeat itself in the future. This, too, is possible in our scenario in principle if there is more than one brane and, consequently, more than one collision. We plan to discuss this possibility in future work, along with further speculations about what preceded the collision that made our present universe.
As a final remark, we feel that it is important to realize that Inflationary theory is based on Quantum Field theory, a well-established theoretical framework, and the model has been carefully studied and vetted for 20 years. Our proposal is based on unproven ideas in String theory and is brand new. While we appreciate the enthusiasm and interest with which the paper has been received, we would suggest some patience before promulgating these ideas in order to leave time for us to produce some follow-up papers that introduce additional elements and to allow fellow theorists time for criticism and sober judgment.
Spud
Slebalix - 08 Jun 2004 14:41 GMT Why do educsated and supposedly intelligent men like yourselves chase after complex threories to explain our Universe. A Universe based on an extra spatial dimensions, for example, is infinitely more complex than one based upon three spatial dimensions since every increment of distance along the extra dimension is as complex as our three spatial dimensions. Adding extra complexity allows any apparent inconsistencies in three dimensional theories to be overcome (Any jackass can make a theory work by adding a superflous degree(s) of freedom.).
If one derives gravitational theory correctly, one obtains gravitational transformations of the same form as the Lorentz Transformations of SR as must be the case if the Principle of Equivalence is to apply. GR does not meet this test and required the invention of curved space to make it work.(The justification given for the curved space was 'why shouldn't we consider space to be curved, no one can prove it isn't -this is Science?) If you delve into the mathematics of GR's derivation you will find that a basic error had been made! This error is of a type which would not have been tolerated in a freshman calculus course!
Correctly deriving the gravity transformations in an FLT system provides: Force(F) = 1 Length(L)=1/(1-$) Time=(1-$) Where $ is the gravitational potential between elevations.
Applying these transformations yields a picture of the gravitational field which is consistent with the observations in the Sun's puny gravitational field which allegedly verify GR. The difference only becomes significant when the gravtitational potential (from infinity) approaches unity. In addition, they reveal the source of gravitational energy, explain the nature of gravitational collapse, the expanding universe, and the nature of the alleged "big bang" , and the creation of the universe. These latter results come about unexpectedly and were not inserted by the nature of the derivation. I'm afraid Dr. Albert really screwed up a century of physics. Physical theory must be compatible with Quantum Theroy amd with STR, but it does not have to be compatible with GTR.
Assuming that you do not know everything already, you might be interested in reading http://www.members.aol.com/einsteinhoax/gravity.htm. I would be interested if you could find a defect in the material. So far no one has.
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Einsteinhoax
Spud - 09 Jun 2004 00:31 GMT <snip>
> Assuming that you do not know everything already, you might be interested in > reading http://www.members.aol.com/einsteinhoax/gravity.htm. I would be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Einsteinhoax After reading PART of section 4 esp 4.2.5 and onwards. My conclusion is that although VERY WELL constructed it lacks a fundamental truth which is. There have not been enough observations to verify it completely.
For example the same truth even applies to something as simple as the inverse square law. Other examples are jumping to mind almost constantly which is why the search and SPECULATION goes on.
Spud
Double-A - 13 Jun 2004 01:36 GMT > Why do educsated and supposedly intelligent men like yourselves chase after > complex threories to explain our Universe. [snipped usual crap]
> Einsteinhoax Mr. Einsteinhoax, I doubt if you even know what the Ekpyrotic theory is!
Perhaps you should stop spouting and get "educsated".
Double-A
Dennis - 12 Jun 2004 18:46 GMT Spud,
I agree that this is an interesting theory. It is extremely complex. I believe that the extreme complexity of this and other recent multi-dimensional theories shows that science is ripe for a unifying theory that enables a return to simplicity. Extreme complexity is required to enable our seemingly disparate understandings to be tied together in a coherent manner. However, in the meantime, this is an interesting, and comtroversial, approach. I particularly like the cyclic nature of the universe that they present. However, I do not understand how their elimination of inflation can account for the present state of expansion.
In case you do not know, the heretic is a spammer. He ridicules other theories, because he believes that strong ridicule will lend more credence to his own. He has claimed for years that no one has been able to discredit any of his ideas, because he refuses to consider at all any challenges to his statements. In order to be able to justify his continued spam, he changes his name in the from field each time, so that people will not realize that a posting is from him and so be able to ignore him. I recommend against getting caught up in his fantasy by responding to him.
Dennis
> Details of the Ekpyrotic Universe theory > [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > > Spud Kay Anne Darcy - 26 Jun 2004 23:50 GMT dennis avers: "he changes his name in the from field each time, so that people will not realize that a posting is from him.."
how can you know this?
Dennis - 29 Jun 2004 01:56 GMT > dennis avers: "he changes his name in the from field each time, so that > people will not realize that a posting is from him.." > > how can you know this? Examine the content and you will understand. Do you disagree?
nightbat - 13 Jun 2004 10:59 GMT nightbat wrote
> Details of the Ekpyrotic Universe theory > > Authors: (Justin Khoury, Princeton; Burt Ovrut, UPenn; Paul Steinhardt, > Princeton and Neil Turok, Cambridge): snip
> Our proposal is based on unproven ideas in String theory and is brand new. > While we appreciate the enthusiasm and interest with which the paper has [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Spud nightbat
Then remember Spud to classify so called ekpyrotic theory under sci fi due to its dependence on acknowledged unproved ideas in M or string theory. And as such it is not a logically or proofed mathematical based theory but imaginary story. You can always close the gravitational loop creatively if not based on real world basis and take all the imaginary dimensions or strings you want. But what separates the sci fi folks from the real scientists and researchers is the constriction of real world limitations.
And if you want reserved time for general analysis of unscientific or purely speculative concocted notions then don't post its particulars on these serious science net newsgroups for rebuttal of poorly thought out ideas. Now if you honestly reexam and claim it as fun sci fi then post it on alt.sci fi.science for the Hollywood story lurkers and producers looking for new hype motion picture ideas. Your basic elementary flaw in ekpyrotic theory is that the energy based Universe cannot have been created by colliding strings, branes, multiverses, worm holes, unlimited dimensions, imaginary black holes, tears or folds in space fabric, etc., for energy per <R> is mathematical proofed indestructible.
Nightbat's postulate " Continuing Universe Rule " has a habit of growing on you for cyclical resolution of universal dynamics. It is unifying understanding of the quantum and relativistic theory presentations that are mathematical based and explanatory of the multi fields inability to become base quantum and macro unified due to present disturbed multi field effects without outside force intervention or observed confirmation. And don't even try weaving that sci fi hype into my presentation for I'll sent you out the same way I sent the other Hollywood type folks, there isn't a lucrative contract for inducing nightbat to give up his high scientific principles or formulations. However, throw in science movie costars Britney Spears or Nicole Kidman, with studio multi arranged and included diner dates, percentage of the cinema world wide market gross not net take, control over editorial science final content, paid for upfront large advanced down payment and continuing writing science advisor expanses, motion picture science advisor top credits, private deluxe location town penthouse hotel suite and custom equipped air conditioned trailer, paid for studio and location shooting generous clothing and fine 24 hour food dining and travel allowance for myself and other intelligent and beautiful mind co science assistants, studio paid for local and International phone service while ongoing production, also production paid for anytime private helicopter including jet first class private or commercial air service. All medical health, dental, and income guarantee prepaid insurance services, minimum 10 million pre paid life insurance coverage in case of location accident, all other transportation and catering and hotel gratuities, all grooming, health spa, and entertainment costs with pre paid unlimited credit card approved, automatic local full golf club membership privileges, gift of latest model IBM wireless lap top, with physics and math special high security symbol keyboard design, unlimited pre paid International ethernet service, private assigned female chauffeur, 24 hour multi team of Nato military service level experienced body guards, private secretary, deluxe luxury rental and sports cars and fully equipped limousines for after hours cruising or sight seeing, generous letter of credit foreign banking and paid for monetary exchange rates, pre paid florist account for impressing and humbly thanking all the group following great science fans for their interest and world wide gifts, hotel room guest flower arrangements, morning, lunch, and dining table floral displays, open charge accounts at or around production location town department stores for personal and companion tourist accounts. Pre paid telegram wire and money transfer services, ultra wide screen hotel room tv and multiple smaller 36 inch flat screen tv's and phones in all the other suite rooms including bathroom. Fully paid for dry-cleaning and iron garment services, security Nobel Prize displayed glass encased mantle with laser Tom Cruse mission impossible proof alarm system, all paid for extended hours open bar for nightbat and guests, imported from Paris female assistant and quest female finest french perfume filled decanters, french wines, Italian breads including their real pizza, and German pastries. Imported particular daily newspapers and science journals or magazines from USA, Swiss mint or liqueur filled chocolates, bottled water and fresh daily fruit baskets. Perfumed sheets and pillow cases in oriental silk or 100% cotton with gold bordering and embroidered with initials or name, the nightbat, including free daily full length white cotton bathrobes also gold initialed for me and guest. Private well stocked suite bar and patio tastefully tropic plant decorated and lighted large heated Jacuzzi for personal or invited company enjoyment. All paid for private legal service with out clause for personal only contract modifications, accounting, and press secretary services, and generous incidental out of pocket expense account for unexpected things.
And of course, if certain great and brilliant regular folks over in sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy, and this group alt.sci.physics.new-theories want to come on location for science content inspection, affirmation, and quality control, they are to be accorded all personal mutual services too during their co associate approved location stay with nightbat.
Then and only then might I consider allowing those lurking screen writer Ivy League college boys attempt to alter name water down, glamorize, dramatize, or sci fi hype attribute the gravitational unified internal field model for Hollywood block buster commercial interests.
ponder on, the nightbat
Double-A - 29 Jun 2004 10:02 GMT > nightbat wrote > [quoted text clipped - 111 lines] > ponder on, > the nightbat Wow! Your writing wanders the same way my mind wanders while reading dry highly technical material.
Amazing!
Double-A
nightbat - 29 Jun 2004 12:41 GMT nightbat wrote
> > nightbat wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > > Double-A nightbat
Difficulty of understanding and interest handling is in the mind and mental ability of the examiner, therefore keep it simple, but not too simple. Capture the minds interest, the body comes with it. Technical papers can be interest varied and particular to subject, read what interests you, and yes, you can ignore the rest, expand you mind and take it all in. No one said science is for everyone, but it has an effect on all, sooner or later. If you like my theory I have another where that one came from.
the nightbat
Double-A - 13 Jun 2004 13:10 GMT > Details of the Ekpyrotic Universe theory > > Authors: (Justin Khoury, Princeton; Burt Ovrut, UPenn; Paul Steinhardt, > Princeton and Neil Turok, Cambridge): I think that the Ekpyrotic Universe Theory should definitely be taken seriously.
Recent observations have lead to the conclusion that the Universe started accelerating its expansion about 5 billion years ago. I can't see how the Big Bang Theory can explain this.
Perhaps the Ekpyrotic Theory with its collisions of branes, thus affecting our Universe from the outside as it were, can explain the influence that suddenly started the velocity of our Universe's expansion to begin increasing 5 billion years ago.
Double-A
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