I'm interested to know where and when this editing is taking place. Does it
take effect immediately, or after a short duration?
> The discussion is intended to share information with others
> and learn from others. We want to discuss the zero point
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> who need to learn from each other and from the highly
> educated. State your reason for the censorship here...mykey
MYKEY - 13 Aug 2004 23:44 GMT
> I'm interested to know where and when this editing is taking place. Does it
> take effect immediately, or after a short duration?
dont know when, watching to see if my last post comes thru unedited.
sorry I did not mean to infer it was you who was doing it.
the internet here in hawaii has all kinds of qwerks...
Mark Palenik - 14 Aug 2004 05:36 GMT
alt.sci.physics.new-theories is not a moderated group. There is no way any
of this alleged editing is really taking place.
> > I'm interested to know where and when this editing is taking place. Does it
> > take effect immediately, or after a short duration?
> >
> dont know when, watching to see if my last post comes thru unedited.
> sorry I did not mean to infer it was you who was doing it.
> the internet here in hawaii has all kinds of qwerks...
MYKEY - 14 Aug 2004 18:26 GMT
> alt.sci.physics.new-theories is not a moderated group. There is no way any
> of this alleged editing is really taking place.
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> > sorry I did not mean to infer it was you who was doing it.
> > the internet here in hawaii has all kinds of qwerks...
it takes at least 12 hours for my posts to appear on google
dont know any more yet mykey
Mark Palenik - 15 Aug 2004 04:06 GMT
> > alt.sci.physics.new-theories is not a moderated group. There is no way any
> > of this alleged editing is really taking place.
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> it takes at least 12 hours for my posts to appear on google
> dont know any more yet mykey
Google only updates its archives every 12 hours or so. If you use an actual
newsreader, it will only take about 20 minutes or so. Everything takes
about 12 hours on Google.
Magneto - 15 Aug 2004 04:35 GMT
>>"Mark Palenik" <markpalenik@wideopenwest.com> wrote in message
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> newsreader, it will only take about 20 minutes or so. Everything takes
> about 12 hours on Google.
What's really funny is that not only does google take several hours to
retrieve the latest posts, apparently it takes several hours to transmit
the posts you submit through it! So, if you post on google the whole
world will see your message hours before you get to see it...and it's
your own post! I think to save money they are just queuing up messages
to send to other news servers, then in one shot do a massive transaction.
Magneto - 15 Aug 2004 04:42 GMT
>>alt.sci.physics.new-theories is not a moderated group. There is no way any
>>of this alleged editing is really taking place.
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> it takes at least 12 hours for my posts to appear on google
> dont know any more yet mykey
If you really think it's being edited, make up a dummy email account on
yahoo or something, then go back to google, write a message that would
normally be censored and post it simultaneously to your sending email
address, this newsgroup, and to the new email address you just made up.
If any one of the three forms you read back are different from the other
two, then you have a right to suspect censorship. Otherwise, you have
nothing to worry about.
On a personal note, I've use the newsgroup posting engine on google, it
sucks. It completely loses about 25% of my messages all the time,
regardless of topic or newsgroup. Like many services on google, I think
this one still has bugs and is still being worked on. Look at their
g-mail for instance, one of their SW bugs gave everyone well over a GB
of mail space! for free!
I really recommend you use another way to post. Google search for
another newsgroup website ;-)
> The discussion is intended to share information with others
> and learn from others. We want to discuss the zero point
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> who need to learn from each other and from the highly
> educated. State your reason for the censorship here...mykey
Are you talking about the thread "The Zero Point Field"Andrew
Cunnungham started?
If so, in spite of the objections I raised there, I'd like to
mention a possible ZPF tap technology I thought up after reading some
papers Robert L. Forward co-wrote about the Casimir Effect. (The
papers were available as pdf's on Forward's website until he died, but
I haven't been able to find them online recently.)
Forward et. al. pointed out that the usual arrangement of two
parallel conductive plates is a special case of a general effect;
another special case is the conductive hollow six-sided right prism,
or box.
They also point out that the form factor of the box (from long and
skinny, through cube, to "pizza box") determines the signs of the
internal energy _and_ the internal energy density. They are opposite
for the two extremes mentioned, which serendipitously combined in my
mind with a text I'd just read on resonant microwave cavities.
It seems reasonable to extrapolate that if one (or arrays) of each
extreme of box (presumably of equal volume) were fitted with
externally-accessible field probes (in other words they're resonant
cavities at one of those "loud frequencies"), and an electrical load
were connected between them with properly constructed lines, the load
ought to draw power directly from the ZPF. It should even work if the
entire apparatus is within a Faraday shield.
As for sizing the cavities, ISTR the "loud" end of the ZPF spectrum
is the short-wavelength end, so little tiny cavities are indicated.
"Checkerboarding" arrays of the two shapes of cavity might minimize
the hazardous side-effects I mentioned by cancellation.
Unfortunately, this implies by symmetry that putting a power
_source_ in the connecting line should pump power _into_ the ZPF,
producing the inverse of my alleged side-effects. This baldly equates
to an RF source coupled through circulators (to prevent awkward
reflections) to two opposite kinds of cavity and producing something
other than hot cavities, something exotic. I don't know that this has
been tried except accidentally, but I strongly suspect any "exotic"
effect would be easiest observabed with expensively-small hardware.
Still, if there's a gravitational side-effect, a properly arranged
set of driven cavities should self-accelerate by reacting against the
ZPF.
Anybody got access to a semiconductor fab facility?
Mark L. Fergerson
MYKEY - 19 Aug 2004 19:10 GMT
> If so, in spite of the objections I raised there, I'd like to
> mention a possible ZPF tap technology I thought up after reading some
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> Mark L. Fergerson
Mr. Fergerson I believe you are correct. The zpf does seem to have a
resonant frequency which could be amplified in a properly designed cavity.
air being forced into an organ pipe will cause the pipe to resonate
a sine wave musical note. The "squeeze" of the zpf behaves in a similar
way. squeezing that energy into a cavity results in a resonant sine
wave which is detectable by a properly designed coil or transformer.
I think your really getting it. mykey