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Is Gravity Really a Shadow?

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Robert Keller - 12 Oct 2004 20:20 GMT
Folks,

Certainly, I'm not the first one to think of this, but because it's
the opposite of what's typically discussed, I didn't know what Google
search words will give more details.

Gravity as a Shadow
Could the universe be awash in small, moving particles (free
electrons, photons, or ???) such that gravity is the absence of these
particles?  In other words, large masses (Earth, Sun) 'shield' us from
some of these randomly moving particles, so the others coming from the
other direction are 'pressing' on us, sort of like high-pressure air
molocules.

Details and Examples
The reason things appear to stick to the Earth is because zillions of
these small particles are pressing from all directions, except the
mass of the Earth is masking and absorbing those particles traveling
through the earth.  Since the ‘pressure' of these particles (i.e. mass
* velocity) from the zenith outnumber the particles hitting us from
the nadir, we're pushed toward the center of the earth.

Gravity bends light for the same reason.  As light from a distant star
moves past the sun, the sun's mass shields moving particles from the
opposite direction.  The light is therefore 'pushed' towards the sun
as it moves past.

Is there are name for this theory, or is this bunk?

RK
Double-A - 13 Oct 2004 23:04 GMT
> Folks,
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> RK

Look up LeSage gravity.

Double-A
Brilliant One - 14 Oct 2004 00:31 GMT
<< Look up LeSage gravity. >><
Okey dokey.

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Puhek - 15 Oct 2004 13:01 GMT
If that was so, then there wouldn't be any attraction betwen these large
objects, would be?
And we know for sure that there is.

> Folks,
>
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> RK
Double-A - 17 Oct 2004 01:13 GMT
> If that was so, then there wouldn't be any attraction betwen these large
> objects, would be?
> And we know for sure that there is.

Why not?

If gravity were caused by a pressure or flow of something in all
directions, then large massive objects would throw a large shadow in
all directions, and the result would appear to be a great attraction
between them.

However if this theory were true, there would be a limit on the force
of gravity near a black hole.

Double-A
Her One - 17 Oct 2004 05:52 GMT
<< a limit on the force
of gravity near a black hole.

Double-A >>

May we fly now?!
Please?

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Ray Tomes - 28 Oct 2004 02:51 GMT
> Gravity as a Shadow
> Could the universe be awash in small, moving particles (free
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> other direction are 'pressing' on us, sort of like high-pressure air
> molocules.

Hi Robert

Like you I had this idea (about 10 years ago) and got on the internet
and found ten other people with the same idea. And then I was told that
it was called LeSage gravity and had been around almost since Newton's time.

The idea is basically sound and for producing an inverse square gravity.

However there are a few catches. The main one is that if these little
particles or waves were to bounce off the big bodies, then there would
be no gravitational effect whatsoever. That is because the shadow that
they cast is exactly balanced by the reflections from the other side. If
you work this out fully and carefully then there is no nett force.

The catch is that if they don't bounce off then the idea works. Actually
even a small proportion of the energy being retained by the matter of
the big bodies is quite ample for the idea to work.

Gravity is a very weak force compared to the Coloumb and strong forces,
some 10^40 weaker roughly. So we can assume that this figure is telling
us something about the proportion of absorption of this universal flux
(be it particles or waves) and that 10^-40 of all energy flux passing
through the inner wavelenth (about 10^-13 cm) of a nucleon will be absorbed.

It is also helpful to realise that this flux is actually the incoming
wave of the standing wave of the particle itself. In other words the
outgoing wave is 10^-40 weaker than the incoming. It might be reasonable
to ask where this went? The answer is that matter is made of nonlinear
waves, and we know that because light doesn't just go through
unaffected. Nonlinear standing waves are inherently unstable and must
form harmonics - smaller waves at multiples of the frequency. It is this
process that reduces the outgoing wave. See http://www.ray.tomes.biz/ 
for more details about these harmonics and how they explain the whole
structure of the universe.

When this 10^-40 absorption of energy is allowed for we must recognise
that the mass of "particles" is increasing over time at a rate of 10^-40
per 10^-23 s because that is how often another wave of the standing wave
goes through the centre. Or we could say at a rate of 10^-17 per second
or 10^-10 per year. That means that all particles masses are growing at
a rate of 1 part in 10^10 per year, which means that distant galaxies
will be seen as they were long ago, when all particles were lighter and
therefore all wavelengths were redder (yes nucleon mass and light
frequency are in a strict proportion). Unfortunately this effect has
been mistaken for expansion of the universe - what a blunder!

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Ray Tomes
http://www.ray.tomes.biz/
http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/

Bart Jaszcz - 29 Oct 2004 18:42 GMT
> > Gravity as a Shadow
> > Could the universe be awash in small, moving particles (free
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> (be it particles or waves) and that 10^-40 of all energy flux passing
> through the inner wavelenth (about 10^-13 cm) of a nucleon will be absorbed.

 Actually, gravity works on a very low wavelength, approaching zero frequency.
It is the sum of all the waves and steadily increasing.  Beacause it's
impossible to measure the height of this wave, just as it's impossible to
measure the age of the universe, it's useless to talk about absorption rates,
etc.

> It is also helpful to realise that this flux is actually the incoming
> wave of the standing wave of the particle itself. In other words the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> for more details about these harmonics and how they explain the whole
> structure of the universe.

 Sure.  If anyone asks where the absorbed energy went, tell them it was
used to keep the electrons in orbit.   What is really happening is that
the particle itself is "glued" together by the surrounding "pressure" of
the surrounding universe.  We call this the Great Wave.

> When this 10^-40 absorption of energy is allowed for we must recognise
> that the mass of "particles" is increasing over time at a rate of 10^-40
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> frequency are in a strict proportion). Unfortunately this effect has
> been mistaken for expansion of the universe - what a blunder!

 Now you lost me.  The absorbed energy was used up to glue the particle,
so why should there be an increase in mass?  Anyhow, again, it's useless
to talk about absorption rates, frequencies, and so on.  We're dealing with
infinity here.

--Bart
Brilliant One - 29 Oct 2004 19:29 GMT
<< We call this the Great Wave. >>

Ah yes.
See: Great Poet John Ashbery,
"A Wave."

Destiny Waltz

"Everyone has some work to be done
And after that they may have some fun.
Which sometimes leads to distraction.
Older faces than yours

Have been whirled away on heaven
Knows what wind like painted leaves in autumn.
Seriousness doesn't help either:
Just[in~~Hey!] when you get on it it slips its tether,
Laughing, runs happily away.

It's a question of forebearance..."

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Bart Jaszcz - 16 Nov 2004 17:45 GMT
virginiaz@aol.commentary (Brilliant One) wrote in message
> Have been whirled away on heaven
> Knows what wind like painted leaves in autumn.

 Well, it seems you're the only one that will talk to me,
but I can't understand one single message you've sent.  Yes,
yes, was whirled away like a kite in a tornado, now what?

--Bart
Twittering One - 16 Nov 2004 18:29 GMT
<< > Have been whirled away on heaven
> Knows what wind like painted leaves in autumn.

 Well, it seems you're the only one that will talk to me,
but I can't understand one single message you've sent.  Yes,
yes, was whirled away like a kite in a tornado, now what?

--Bart>>

Are you a grieving dog?
What cause?

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Bart Jaszcz - 23 Nov 2004 19:40 GMT
> Are you a grieving dog?
> What cause?

Uhh, perhaps the universe is evil?

--Bart
Bart Jaszcz - 28 Oct 2004 18:34 GMT
gohook@gmail.com (Robert Keller) wrote in message
> Gravity as a Shadow
> Could the universe be awash in small, moving particles (free
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> other direction are 'pressing' on us, sort of like high-pressure air
> molocules.

I'm happy to see other people are on the same wavelength.  I also came
up with the same idea.  If you go to my site, you'll find my paper
about it, including the math.

http://www.geocities.com/bpj1138

click on Shielding Effect...

--Bart
Brilliant One - 28 Oct 2004 18:51 GMT
<< Bart >>

White grieving Westie?

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