14000BC ?
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omeganumber@yahoo.co.uk - 10 Jul 2005 15:10 GMT Would someone who has the time post any references of an event(Significant), occuring around 14000BC.
Just curious.
Spud
J. Taylor - 10 Jul 2005 19:31 GMT > Would someone who has the time post any references of an > event(Significant), occuring around 14000BC. > > Just curious. > > Spud http://www.danbyrnes.com.au/lostworlds/timeline/lwstory16.htm
A very good timeline with reference
spiznet - 10 Jul 2005 20:03 GMT Wasn't this just about the time that the Atlanteans imported Venusians to do the hard underground work for them on their island pyramids and other undersea/underground structures?
This was around the time that the human race got its' permanent pink slips from Atlantean service, about the time when human history rightly begins on its own, in earnest.
-Mermark
J. Taylor - 10 Jul 2005 23:02 GMT > Wasn't this just about the time that the Atlanteans imported Venusians > to do the hard underground work for them on their island pyramids and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -Mermark And I should not have been so quick to post the link I did without first checking it out. It is about something which I do not endorse.
JT
Timo von Burg - 10 Jul 2005 20:47 GMT > Would someone who has the time post any references of an > event(Significant), occuring around 14000BC. The paintings of Lascaux: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/arcnat/lascaux/en/
Timo
geraldkelleher@hotmail.com - 10 Jul 2005 21:17 GMT We are really rude and small people compared to our ancestors even with all great technical achievements and data we have less to offer to our kids than those people from Lascaux .
Even recent achievements such as Copernican heliocentricity wither under our charge and were it not for a few genuine investigators who are eager to present natural balances of which we shoulder the responsibility of maintaining,we act as if nature owes us an existence.
Reading that excellent history of Lascaux it is heartening to see that the caves were closed to allow the damage that occured unwittingly through human presence to heal itself and things to return to the pristine condition.Were the same thing to occur with astronomy and the pristine work of the first heliocentrists from the damage of later and less careful men.
Somehow it remains as a wish in a world that cares little for the heritage it inherited and no so badly mangles and I too would have failed in my responsibilities to represent the work of men whoes insights are as fresh today as when they first emerged and only later pretension conceals their ability,in their own way, to generate the same wonder as those men of Lascaux.
Nick Maclaren - 11 Jul 2005 11:32 GMT |> Would someone who has the time post any references of an |> event(Significant), occuring around 14000BC. It was the date of the last rational debate on human hairlessness in sci.anthropology.paleo.
Regards, Nick Maclaren.
rick++ - 11 Jul 2005 21:04 GMT The "global warming" event of around 11,000 years ago was so drastic theat it reshaped much of the planet and obliterated much archeological evidence. Ice sheets melted, jungles turned into deserts, oceans advanced inland hundreds of miles, and so on.
Spud - 12 Jul 2005 10:04 GMT > The "global warming" event of around 11,000 years ago Specific interest: 16000 years ago Journal Refs preffered. Thanks
Spud
rick++ - 12 Jul 2005 15:17 GMT I think the other limited beyond age is that isotopic dating methods become considerably less reliable beyond this age. Carbon dating requires calibration for fluctuations in background source radioactivity, probably due to solar radiation fluctuations. This calibration is supplied by dendrochronology, but the oldest wood is about 7500 years. Some dont trust the oldest living wood of about 5000 years.
Spud - 12 Jul 2005 17:58 GMT > I think the other limited beyond age is that isotopic dating methods > become considerably less reliable beyond this age. Carbon dating [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > supplied by dendrochronology, but the oldest wood is about 7500 years. > Some dont trust the oldest living wood of about 5000 years. Then the only trusted record would be from ice cores ?
Spud
J. Taylor - 12 Jul 2005 18:21 GMT > > I think the other limited beyond age is that isotopic dating methods > > become considerably less reliable beyond this age. Carbon dating [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Spud Why do you think that?
There is also lake varves
***** http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/dating/dat_varve.html
Varve analysis is the process of counting varves or annually laminated sediments to determine the rates of change in climate and various ecosystems. Varves form when glacial advances come in contact with bodies of water such as lakes. When this process occurs, layers of sediment form on the floor of the body of water. This technique provides an opportunity to acquire detailed chronological information about the composition, displacement, and climate of that region, at that time. It was first developed by the Swedish scientist Baron de Geer in 1878.
Varves form distinctive layers. A varve consists of two layers; a thick light colored layer of silt and fine sand which forms in the spring and summer and a thin dark colored layer of clay forming in the fall and winter. Since low temperatures are necessary in delaying the settling of clay particles, it is assumed that varve formation can occur only in glacial waters, particularly lakes on the margins of glaciers. The salt and electrolytes in seawater cause a homogenous mass, preventing the formation of varves.
Traditionally, when one "counted" varves, it proved to be a fairly monotonous and tiresome task resulting in much time lost and much subjectivity due to determining layers. One had to take microscopic evaluations of the material and form some sort of hypothesis or interpretation from the shape and thickness of the layers. This provided inaccurate data because different varve types can cause mistakes in the algorithm that is used and produce miscounts. For example, sub-annual laminations can be counted as extra years, and certain years may not deposit a carbonate layer, which often would not be counted. Thus, this technique is much criticized for providing insufficient data to determine such changes.
Significant advances have been made to improve accuracy in determining varves. Using audio/visual equipped computers and digital video cameras, differences in hues can be determined and analyzed. Through such a procedure, accurate counts are made to determine different layers, which in turn gives varve analysis more credibility. Also, with the aid of computers and digitally enhanced photography, content and classification are accurate and efficient.
rick++ - 13 Jul 2005 14:51 GMT Few lakes survived intact across the interglacial boundaries. The glaciers created the US Great Lakes. The US West was covered by huge lakes during the (e.g. Bonnieville) dueing the last glaciation which have all but disappeared. Ditto for most of the world.
J. Taylor - 12 Jul 2005 18:39 GMT > > I think the other limited beyond age is that isotopic dating methods > > become considerably less reliable beyond this age. Carbon dating [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Spud Here is something else you might want to explore
Relative Dating http://www.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/historical_lab/relativedating.htm
Most people whom have a problem with all the various dating methods tend to have a particular conclusion in mind, which requires they exclude any evidence which does not support it.
Spud - 12 Jul 2005 20:33 GMT <snip>
> Here is something else you might want to explore > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > tend to have a particular conclusion in mind, which requires they > exclude any evidence which does not support it. Thanks for the link can you suggest a journal ref site eg similar to arXiv.org for a search.
Spud
Daryl Krupa - 14 Jul 2005 02:21 GMT > I think the other limited beyond age is that isotopic dating methods > become considerably less reliable beyond this age. Carbon dating [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > supplied by dendrochronology, but the oldest wood is about 7500 years. > Some dont trust the oldest living wood of about 5000 years. Your information is out-of-date.
The calibration curve is really quite detailed, as you can see here (please be advised that the calibration has recently been extended to about 25,000 years ago by reference to stalactites and such, and that the new standard is called INTCAL04):
http://www.radiocarbon.org/Journal/v40n3/editorial.html
You can play with calibration yourself, here:
http://www.calpal-online.de/
And re: sea level rise 11,000 years ago: 11,000 years ago, sea level rise was halfway up from its glacial-time lowstand; whatever happened 11,000 years ago hardly shows up as a blip on the graph:
http://earth.usc.edu/geol150/evolution/images/holocene/sea%20level%20composit.gif
The rise was quite rapid in the beginning, slowing as the continental ice sheets in Europe and North America were depleted, but there was no sudden and massive sea-level-rise 11,000 years ago.
Here are a couple of curves; the Barbados record is the classic record for global ("eustatic") sea level change, and the local curve for Galveston Bay (Texas) is given for comparison:
http://southport.jpl.nasa.gov/nrc/fig5.2.gif
So, where do you see a sudden and massive rise in sea level at the 11,000-years-ago mark?
- Daryl Krupa
Daryl Krupa - 14 Jul 2005 02:27 GMT > Would someone who has the time post any references of an > event(Significant), occuring around 14000BC. > > Just curious. Spud: At about that time, it became possible to walk from South Africa to Tierra del Fuego without getting one's feet wet (except in river crossings), for the first time in about 10,000 years. I.e., there was both a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska, and a gap between the Laurentide Ice Sheet and the Rocky Mountains. Ergo, migration from the Old World to the New World could resume.
- Daryl Krupa
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