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Oceanography Graduate Schools

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ER - 03 Oct 2003 21:22 GMT
I'm planning to apply to several West Coast U.S. graduate schools to study
oceanography: MSc at min, maybe PhD.

Can readers here comment on the relative strengths & weaknesses...or
whatever they want to say...about the following schools?

- University of Washington
- University of Victoria
- University of British Columbia
- University of Hawai'i
- Scripps / UCSD
- University of Southampton  (what the hey....interesting 1 yr MSc program)

My EE/CS background and interests point toward physical oceanography, but
with a 25 year history in software development & computer science (computer
graphics, embedded systems, information retrieval, metadata modelling), I'm
anxious a) *not* to spend all my time in front of a computer and b) to have
a dependable outdoor field component.  I'll humbly yet eagerly start from
near zero in biology.   Math skills, albeit rusty, are good (6+ semesters).

All the venues (coastal, shelf, deep sea, vents, ridges) all sound good to
me at this point...but coastal would probably fit better with my sea
kayaking hobby. ;-)

Thanks,

ER
fred.gunthr@csc.com - 06 Oct 2003 22:05 GMT
Consider the School of Oceanography of Oregon State University (Cornallis,
Oregon).  They have a good program, with graduate students on research ships
and use of satellite data for physical and biological oceanography.  There is
also a field station at Yaquina Bay.

Fred (Ph.D. - OSU, 1972)

> I'm planning to apply to several West Coast U.S. graduate schools to study
> oceanography: MSc at min, maybe PhD.
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>
> ER
Eric Rehm - 22 Oct 2003 06:39 GMT
Can anyone give me some comparisons between US and UK graduate programs?

US = {Scripps, WHOI, UW, URI, OSU, UH, etc.)
UK = {SOC, ???}

- ER
Alastair McDonald - 22 Oct 2003 11:01 GMT
> Can anyone give me some comparisons between US and UK graduate programs?
>
> US = {Scripps, WHOI, UW, URI, OSU, UH, etc.)
> UK = {SOC, ???}

Professor Marotzke, who was one of the leading members of the graduate
teaching program at Southamton, has now moved to the US. Does this mean that
the US and the UK are similar?

Cheers, Alastair.
William Asher - 22 Oct 2003 17:57 GMT
>> Can anyone give me some comparisons between US and UK graduate
>> programs?
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>
> Cheers, Alastair.

Everyone knows you choose a graduate school based on the quality of the
school's football team.  By that metric, given the current BCS rankings
you would want to go to:

Miami
USC
Florida State (I think they have an Oceanography program)

Those are the only three schools listed in the top 25 that I think have
mich in the way of an oceanography program.  Of the remaining schools, UW
just beat OSU and UH plays in the WAC not the PAC-10.  You never hear
about URI but then I am on the west coast of the U.S. so my ranking them
after UW/OSU/UH may be a regional thing.  Of course, UCSD/SIO is a school
for surfers with the San Diego Chargers being the major college football
franchise in San Diego and WHOI/MIT doesn't even have a football team so
who would want to go there?  The wild card in this is TAMU and to a
lesser extent programs like LSU.  The Aggies used to have a strong
program but I never hear about them anymore so they may have fallen on
hard times due to increased drug testing frequency and or sanctions and
probation.  Again, regional differences in football coverage make it
difficult for me to judge the quality of their program.  However, one
cannot ever count out a Texas school in the bowl hunt so if you're a
gambler, maybe you would take a roll of the dice and go there.  It's a
tough call.  

In the UK, they play rugby.  Rugby.  I mean, how can a 350-lb steroid
addled 21-yr old playing as freshman take a sport like rugby seriously?  
You don't even get to wear pads or a helmet or tight pants and the
cheerleaders are as likely to break a beer stein over your head as give
you head after the game.  On the plus side, you do get to kill people
rooting for the opposing team in the pre- and post-game riots.  Even
given that benefit, my opinion is that you would have to put SOC and UEA
at the bottom of the heap, or scrum maybe.  

-Bill "UW, where the zero tolerance is for getting caught" Asher
Alastair McDonald - 22 Oct 2003 21:49 GMT
> >> Can anyone give me some comparisons between US and UK graduate
> >> programs?
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> Everyone knows you choose a graduate school based on the quality of the
> school's football team.

I think you mean undergraduate school!

> By that metric, given the current BCS rankings
> you would want to go to:
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> In the UK, they play rugby.  Rugby.  I mean, how can a 350-lb steroid
> addled 21-yr old playing as freshman take a sport like rugby seriously?

You do mean undergraduate. You are talking about a freshman! Well
since the USA rugby team was beaten by Scotland, my native country,
by 39pts to 15pts in the World Championships being held in Australia,
I am not surprised you have a down on rugby!

> You don't even get to wear pads or a helmet or tight pants and the
> cheerleaders are as likely to break a beer stein over your head as give
> you head after the game.  On the plus side, you do get to kill people
> rooting for the opposing team in the pre- and post-game riots.  Even
> given that benefit, my opinion is that you would have to put SOC and UEA
> at the bottom of the heap, or scrum maybe.

The Southampton Oceanography Centre (SOC)  and the University
of East Anglia (UEA) are both in centres of soccer. Southamton FC
played in the European championships this year and Norwich FC,
(Norwich is the city where the UEA campus is situated) have also
earned a place in European competions.  I should point out though,
that although the UEA, like the SOC, is a world leading centre for
climate change, the UEA is not a centre for Oceanography. Norwich
is the centre of the Norfolk Broads which are drainage ditches for
the Fens, and are scarcely tidal!

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.
Eric Rehm - 23 Oct 2003 02:30 GMT
> > Professor Marotzke, who was one of the leading members of the graduate
> > teaching program at Southamton, has now moved to the US. Does this
> > mean that the US and the UK are similar?

> Everyone knows you choose a graduate school based on the quality of the
> school's football team.  By that metric, given the current BCS rankings
> you would want to go to:

Very funny....but no one has attempted to answer my original question:
>Can anyone give me some comparisons between US and UK graduate programs?

I'll try to provoke readers here a bit more.
I found the listing of PhD topics at SOC more carefully and consistently
written than those found at any of the US schools of oceanography web sites
I've visited.
http://www.soes.soton.ac.uk/graduate/admissions/projects/?link=make_list.php&typ
e=subject


Does this level of openness and detail portend a superior graduate student
experience?
Or is does this indicate rigid, PI-defined research topics with little
chance of influence by the graduate student?

- ER
 
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