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F_L_Palmer@yahoo.com - 29 Sep 2006 21:12 GMT
A few years ago, I read an article in _Scientific American_ about the
"rivers" and "waterfalls" involved in sub-surface ocean currents. The
author made the point that those currents involved many times as much
water as flowed in the rivers we know.

One of teh driving forces I remember was surface water originally from
the tropics meeting the shelf ice around Antartica. Some water froze
out, leaving higher salinity, and the rest cooled to 4 C. The cold,
salty, water sank; and this drove currents which travelled all the way
to the Arctic region.

Well, since he wrote that, the shelf ice has been diminishing. How does
this affect this process?
I would guess at a diminished volume at the same temperature, but that
is a guess.
Has anyone worked this out? And has anyone a picture of the
consequences of the change?

As you might guess from my source, I know a little science, but that
doesn't include oceanology.
Weatherlawyer - 08 Oct 2006 09:39 GMT
> A few years ago, I read an article in _Scientific American_ about the
> "rivers" and "waterfalls" involved in sub-surface ocean currents. The
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> As you might guess from my source, I know a little science, but that
> doesn't include oceanology.

The uni of Saouthampton England did some recent work on ocean currents
that indicated there might be a surecease to the flows of surface and
deeper currents.

The OA temps of the Arctic remained at about minus 2 degrees Centigrade
for centuries due to the physics of watersolutes. The overall balance
was that salt waer was more dense and flowed out the deep vents tot the
east of the Americas all the way to the Wadel Sea off Antarctica.

The ice flowed out the same tube and also into the Pacific keeping the
ratio and the temperature the same all year through.

This year the influx of water from western Northern Europe and Russia
has been augmented by the late hurricane season sending almost all its
storms up through Bermuda/Acorez to the Berents Sea in the Arctic.

It will be worth watching for developments there I am sure.

Sea Level maps of Low pressure areas (such as the remains of the
hurricanes flowing into the northern stretches of the North Atlantic)
can be found in the archives here:
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/tkfaxbraar.htm

Note where they broached last year. They entered Canada via the USA and
left for here and southern Norway via Newfoundland IIRC.

You might also want to take a look at the temperatures of the Baltic
over a time period from here: http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.html
You might get more data from the site owners. I have been promissed
some when they get set up for it.

It's the warmest and most brackish sea in the north and feeds almost
straight into the Arctic.
 
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