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comozo@joimail.com - 22 Apr 2005 22:02 GMT
When constructing a Galilaen beam expander which is the lens of choice,
a Plano-concave or Bi-concave?

Thanks
Steve
Helpful person - 25 Apr 2005 15:07 GMT
Neither.  You need a converging group and a diverging group.
Dr. Georg N.Nyman - 29 Apr 2005 12:43 GMT
> Neither.  You need a converging group and a diverging group.

Well, you need to take them of course but the question, as I understood
its meaning was - should he take a symmetrical "lens" or not - and I
vote for symmetrical - for both, the converging as well as for the
diverging group
rgds George Nyman
redbelly - 29 Apr 2005 16:27 GMT
> > Neither.  You need a converging group and a diverging group.
> >
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> diverging group
> rgds George Nyman

Not quite.  Aberrations are less if one surface is plano on each lens
-- AND the flat side of each lens is facing the other lens:

Narrow beam in --> ----- )| < |) =====   Expanded beam out

(This is what Bill almost said, but refrained from saying in the
interest of making people think about it.)

Mark
West Coast Engineering - 30 Apr 2005 04:00 GMT
>When constructing a Galilaen beam expander which is the lens of choice,
>a Plano-concave or Bi-concave?
>
>Thanks
>Steve

Laser beam enters the smaller lens from the flat sides and exits from
the concave side (which needs to be a conic to remove spherical)

Then diverging beam stikes a convex surface (also a conic) and leaves
from the final flat side.

Conic constants are determined using an optical design program or
through a lot of algebra to determine the conics which work.

Jim Klein
redbelly - 30 Apr 2005 13:00 GMT
> Laser beam enters the smaller lens from the flat sides and exits from
> the concave side (which needs to be a conic to remove spherical)
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> Jim Klein

Okay, if the O.P. is willing to spend the time and money on aspheric
lenses matched to his/her beam set-up, you're right.

But for inexpensive off-the-shelf spherical lenses, the lens surface
orientation is the reverse of what you say.

Mark
West Coast Engineering - 30 Apr 2005 14:56 GMT
>> Laser beam enters the smaller lens from the flat sides and exits from
>> the concave side (which needs to be a conic to remove spherical)
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>
>Mark

Optimal shape factor is a function of N so using a simple design
program to check out the performance of each simpler design (using
plano-c or bi-type lenses is critical.

You can do it for free with the demo version of ODP
www.westcoastengineering.com or OSLO EDU

If the power is high, checking the positions of first order ghost
images is also a really good idea.

Using a negative group and a positive group almost always demands a
design code to evaluate combinations of off-the-shelf designs.

Jim Klein
 
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