News: First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests
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Robert Karl Stonjek - 18 Jul 2008 10:59 GMT First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests ScienceDaily (July 17, 2008) - Research by a Valparaiso University geography professor and his students on the creation of Kankakee Sand Islands of Northwest Indiana is lending support to evidence that the first humans to settle the Americas came from Europe, a discovery that overturns decades of classroom lessons that nomadic tribes from Asia crossed a Bering Strait land-ice bridge. Valparaiso is a member of the Council on Undergraduate Research.
Dr. Ron Janke began studying the origins of the Kankakee Sand Islands - a series of hundreds of small, moon-shaped dunes that stretch from the southern tips of Lake and Porter counties in Northwest Indiana into northeastern Illinois - about 12 years ago. Over the past few years, approximately a dozen Valparaiso undergraduates have worked with Dr. Janke to create the first detailed maps of the Kankakee Sand Islands, study their composition and survey wildlife and plants inhabiting the islands.
Based upon the long-held belief that most of the upper Midwest was covered by a vast ice sheet up until about 10,000 years ago, Dr. Janke said he and other scientists surmised the Kankakee Sand Islands were created by sand in meltwater from the receding glacier.
That belief was challenged, however, when he and his students discovered a year and a half ago that the islands were composed of sand that had come from Lake Michigan - something that should have been impossible with the Valparaiso Moraine standing between the lake and the Kankakee Sand Islands.
"That created a lot of problems with what we had previously believed about ice covering this entire area," Dr. Janke said. "How could it get over the Valparaiso Moraine and be deposited there?"
Figuring out that puzzle required taking core samples from some of the remaining islands and the development of a new test by one of Dr. Janke's colleagues to determine when sunlight last shone on the sand.
The answer that came back - the Kankakee Sand Islands were born between 14,500 and 15,000 years ago from Lake Michigan sand - was startling.
"We thought the area was completely covered by ice at that time," Dr. Janke said. "That was a really earth-shattering result for us."
Yet it also supports research showing that North American Clovis points - a particular type of arrowhead that represents the oldest manmade object on the continent -identically match arrowheads found in Europe and made by humans at approximately the same time. And just within the last year, new research has provided strong evidence that a large meteorite struck the ice sheet covering North American and melted much of the ice shortly before the formation of the Kankakee Sand Islands.
"Our research at Valparaiso supports this other recent research because it indicates there wasn't a massive ice sheet covering North America that would have allowed tribes to cross over from Asia via a Bering Strait land-ice bridge," Dr. Janke said.
Dr. Janke's research on the formation of the Kankakee Sand Islands is continuing this summer, with a focus on determining whether the islands closest to Lake Michigan are younger than the southernmost islands.
At one time, approximately 1,200 of the islands stretched out in a series of curved bands north and and south of the Kankakee River that are separated by a few miles and mirror the southern tip of Lake Michigan. Though many were destroyed by human settlement, about 700 still exist today.
Dr. Janke and his students also have been active in the Woodland Savanna Land Conservancy, an organization working to protect the Kankakee Sand Islands.
Scott Osthus, a recent graduate who worked with Dr. Janke to map the Kankakee Sand Islands and support their preservation, enjoyed being involved in the research effort.
"During my four years at Valparaiso, I saw how interesting and significant the Kankakee Sand Islands landscape is," Osthus said. "I want to see this area preserved because it is so historically significant."
Landowners have donated a handful of islands to the trust for preservation, and Dr. Janke is hopeful that others will follow their lead and perhaps eventually build enough support for some of the islands to be incorporated into Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore or their own state park.
"The Kankakee Sand Islands are archaeologically significant, with numerous Native American artifacts and burial grounds still present in the surviving islands, and they provide crucial habitat for native wildlife and plant species," Dr. Janke said. "I'm hopefully the sand islands can be protected so we can continue to learn about and appreciate them."
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Adapted from materials provided by Valparaiso University. Valparaiso University (2008, July 17). First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests. ScienceDaily. Retrieved July 18, 2008, from http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080701193203.htm
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Tom McDonald - 18 Jul 2008 15:19 GMT > First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over > Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests > > ScienceDaily (July 17, 2008) [This story has been out for some weeks. Apparently, the mistakes in it haven't been corrected.]
— Research by a Valparaiso University
> geography professor and his students on the creation of Kankakee Sand > Islands of Northwest Indiana is lending support to evidence that the > first humans to settle the Americas came from Europe, a discovery that > overturns decades of classroom lessons that nomadic tribes from Asia > crossed a Bering Strait land-ice bridge. Beringia was not covered in ice. Neither was the contiguous region of northwestern Alaska. The 'land-ice bridge' is a curious verbal construction that, as we see later in this article, betrays ignorance. Whether the ignorance is on the part of Dr. Janke or the writer of the article, I'm not sure.
> Valparaiso is a member of the > Council on Undergraduate Research. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > said he and other scientists surmised the Kankakee Sand Islands were > created by sand in meltwater from the receding glacier. The belief may be long-held in Valparaiso geography circles; it's not held by anyone else.
By the time in question, there was an early version of Lake Michigan, with open water from what is now the Chicago area to north of Milwaukee.
This error begins to make me think it's Janke that may have the problem with ignorance.
> That belief was challenged, however, when he and his students discovered > a year and a half ago that the islands were composed of sand that had [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > “We thought the area was completely covered by ice at that time,” Dr. > Janke said. “That was a really earth-shattering result for us.” You can google maps of the Wisconsinan glacial retreat to show its edges at various times in the past. Plus, of course, it's in all the books.
> Yet it also supports research showing that North American Clovis points > – a particular type of arrowhead <snark> I'd love to see the arrows and bows made to shoot these points. Perhaps there really *were* giants in the earth in those days. </snark>
Spear points. They were spear points. Bows came into use in the Americas ca. 1500 years ago.
> that represents the oldest manmade > object on the continent Wrong again.
> –identically match arrowheads found in Europe > and made by humans at approximately the same time. Not identically matching, not arrowheads, and not at the same time. Otherwise, close.
> And just within the > last year, new research has provided strong evidence that a large [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that would have allowed tribes to cross over from Asia via a Bering > Strait land-ice bridge,” Dr. Janke said. There's that 'land-ice bridge' again. No one (recently at least) suggested that Beringia was glaciated.
No one (other than, perhaps, Janke or the article's writer) has suggested that, just because the end-stage Wisconsinan's Michigan lobe had retreated sufficiently to allow a rump Lake Michigan to form, there wasn't still a 'massive ice sheet covering North America'.
> Dr. Janke’s research on the formation of the Kankakee Sand Islands is > continuing this summer, with a focus on determining whether the islands [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > islands can be protected so we can continue to learn about and > appreciate them.” This all is good, and I support it.
But a little more study in the relevant archaeology and glaciology would be useful.
I wonder what Dennis Standford would say if Janke wrote the above to him? Standford wouldn't have made the howlers, and might well have been able to set Janke straight. Or even strait.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Adapted from materials provided by Valparaiso University [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Research Suggests. /ScienceDaily/. Retrieved July 18, 2008, from > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080701193203.htm John Harshman - 18 Jul 2008 17:40 GMT > First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over > Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > Research Suggests. /ScienceDaily/. Retrieved July 18, 2008, from > http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080701193203.htm What does any of this have to do with settlement from Europe? The sole evidence advanced appears to be the claim that there was no land bridge between Asia and Alaska. But if the absence of a land bridge makes the Bering Strait a barrier that could not have been crossed, isn't the Atlantic Ocean an even bigger barrier? The obvious conclusion is that the Americas were unpopulated before the arrival of Leif Ericson. He must have brought the skraelings with him.
Daryl Krupa - 19 Jul 2008 22:30 GMT On Jul 18, 10:40 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> wrote:
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> What does any of this have to do with settlement from Europe? The sole > evidence advanced appears to be the claim that there was no land bridge > between Asia and Alaska. But if the absence of a land bridge makes the > Bering Strait a barrier that could not have been crossed, isn't the > Atlantic Ocean an even bigger barrier? <snip>
Yes, it is, today, but not if it was another "land-ce barrier" in the past.
There is an idea that a superficially similar point technology that disappeared in Europe many thousands of years before the oldest Clovis point was made indicates that the Clovis's people originated in Europe, and crossed to Eastern North America via the North Atlantic pack ice in glacial times, essentially island-hopping from Britain to the Faeroes to Iceland to Greenland to Baffin Island to the Grand Banks to Nova Scotia to Cape Cod to Long Island. That would make Europeans the natural inheritors of the Americas, and "denigrate" Native Americans' claims to land, compensation, or fulfillment of treaty obligations by Europeans (i.e., those now took over the Americas from Native Americans and who are now governing the Americas). It might also explain the tales of pre-Columbian horse-drawn-chariot battles on the American Plains in the Book of Mormon. This all has to do with race relations resulting from the settlement of Europans in the Americas.
- Daryl Krupa
Lee Olsen - 21 Jul 2008 16:21 GMT > On Jul 18, 10:40 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > the Americas from Native Americans and who are > now governing the Americas). http://www.umatilla.nsn.us/kman3.html "We were particularly surprised and dismayed at 60 Minutes presenting the notion that we are acting out of fear - fear of losing our tribal sovereignty and everything that goes with it. The story implied that the outcome of this case would affect tribal treaties with the federal government. In fact, the outcome of this case has no legal bearing whatsoever on tribal treaties and tribal sovereignty. 60 Minutes did a great disservice to their viewers when they espoused such a legally unfounded assumption."
> It might also explain the tales of pre-Columbian > horse-drawn-chariot battles on the American Plains [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Daryl Krupa John Harshman - 21 Jul 2008 17:21 GMT > On Jul 18, 10:40 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > to Iceland to Greenland to Baffin Island to the Grand > Banks to Nova Scotia to Cape Cod to Long Island. This is considered easier than crossing the Bering Strait?
> That would make Europeans the natural inheritors > of the Americas, and "denigrate" Native Americans' > claims to land, compensation, or fulfillment of treaty > obligations by Europeans (i.e., those now took over > the Americas from Native Americans and who are > now governing the Americas). I don't see why this would be the case, even if true.
> It might also explain the tales of pre-Columbian > horse-drawn-chariot battles on the American Plains > in the Book of Mormon. Are the proponents of this theory mormons? Can you back that up? Anyway, didn't the Nephites, or whatever, bring all those horses and wheat and such with them when they arrived by sea?
> This all has to do with race relations resulting from > the settlement of Europans in the Americas. Can you back that up in any way?
Daryl Krupa - 22 Jul 2008 00:16 GMT On Jul 21, 10:21 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On Jul 18, 10:40 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > This is considered easier than crossing the Bering Strait? Yes, mostly by people who have no idea of the technological sophistication necessary to thrive in such an environment. I am not one of those people; I consider that route to be ludicrously improbable for that time.
> > That would make Europeans the natural inheritors > > of the Americas, and "denigrate" Native Americans' [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I don't see why this would be the case, even if true. Some people would grasp at straws that might be used to build an edifice of spurious logic that would support their ideas of Native Americans' lack of entitlement to status as the pre-eminent occupiers of what has been regarded as European-derived Americans' natural birthright, i.e., possession and exploitation of the best parts of the Americas.
> > It might also explain the tales of pre-Columbian > > horse-drawn-chariot battles on the American Plains > > in the Book of Mormon. > > Are the proponents of this theory mormons? It's not so much a theory as Holy Writ.
> Can you back that up? Not at present; you might try searching the sci.archaeology archives for discussions on that paleontologically-absurd fantasy.
> Anyway, didn't the Nephites, or whatever, bring all those horses and wheat > and such with them when they arrived by sea? Regarding the horses, maybe, but that still requires better boats than we know about from around whatever time that was supposed to be. Regarding the wheat, there remains the lack of archaeological remains of wheat cultivation, not to mention horse husbandry, in pre-Columbian America.
> > This all has to do with race relations resulting from > > the settlement of Europeans in the Americas. > > Can you back that up in any way? Nope: it's a personal observation, based on racist and European- superiority attitudes in a lot of the popular and amateur writings on pre-Native American occupation of the Americas by Europeans. It's a recurrent theme, which I find quite distasteful, by the way.
Cheers, Daryl Krupa
John Harshman - 22 Jul 2008 14:56 GMT > On Jul 21, 10:21 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > cultivation, not to mention horse husbandry, in pre-Columbian > America. We're not talking about reality here. We're talking about the mormon story. Having ancient people cross the Arctic ice pack on foot is not consistent with the mormon story, and therefore would seem an unlikely position for a mormon to take. I was pointing that out.
>>> This all has to do with race relations resulting from >>> the settlement of Europeans in the Americas. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > occupation of the Americas by Europeans. > It's a recurrent theme, which I find quite distasteful, by the way. If it is a recurrent theme, shouldn't you be able to back it up?
GoldLions - 22 Jul 2008 15:11 GMT On Jul 22, 9:56�am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > On Jul 21, 10:21 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > - Show quoted text - ------------------------------------------ JOHN HARSHMAN,
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
nickname - 25 Jul 2008 23:57 GMT > On Jul 18, 10:40 am, John Harshman <jharshman.diespam...@pacbell.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Daryl Krupa Daryl, the odd title can be presumably read as 'humans coming from Europe over Beringia', more or less.
If Solutreans followed the Mediterranean-Atlantic coastline northwards and then eastwards to Siberia, using boats, they might have left blade artifacts which are now underwater all along northern coastal Scandinavia & Siberia, and arrived in Alaska during a warm phase, couldn't they? From there, going down the Canadian west coast and also eastwards to Hudson Bay then southeastwards. If a cooling phase followed this, migration from Siberia might have stalled, then the submersion of the land bridge would have left the straits too large to cross easily. A cooling phase would have encouraged the spreading south along both coasts and inland along rivers as well.
I don't view these proposed voyagers as specifically 'white' or 'European', probably more like today's Ket or Saami or Ainu, coastal people expanding into new areas due to better climate and improved (portagable) boat technology.
It's a long journey from France to Alaska, but if the climate warmed, clearly people would have gone north, and the Solutrean technology indicates advanced elegant craftsmanship, so the possibility of lightweight watercraft manufacturing increases. Perhaps the change from solid heavy dug-out canoes to ribbed skin-boats and birch-bark canoes would have greatly quickened the pace of expansion?
DDeden
Daryl Krupa - 26 Jul 2008 00:51 GMT <snip>
> Daryl, the odd title can be presumably read as 'humans coming from > Europe over Beringia', more or less. Definitely less: the title expressly excludes Asia and the Bering Strait area as migration sources, which eliminates a Europe-Beringia-North America route: "First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, *********Not From Asia********* Over Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests". Your presumption is inaccurate.
> If Solutreans followed the Mediterranean-Atlantic coastline northwards > and then eastwards to Siberia, using boats, they might have left blade > artifacts which are now underwater all along northern coastal > Scandinavia & Siberia, and arrived in Alaska during a warm phase, > couldn't they? <snip>
Sure, they could have, but then they wouldn't be Solutreans, would they? They would have needed a completely different tool kit to survive such a trip. And there is no evidence whatsoever in Europe for the needed tool kit.
- Daryl Krupa
jerry warner - 21 Jul 2008 06:24 GMT > First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over > Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > remaining islands and the development of a new test by one of Dr. > Jankes colleagues to determine when sunlight last shone on the sand. Where could I find out more about this technique?
est by one of Dr. Jankes colleagues to determine when sunlight last shone on the sand.
would liketo know mroe about this!
Thanks...
Lee Olsen - 21 Jul 2008 15:11 GMT > > First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over > > Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks... http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/672799/description#des cription
Lee Olsen - 21 Jul 2008 15:47 GMT > > > First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over > > > Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/672799/desc...- Here is a good article from MT June 2003 Vol 18 no 3 on OSL dating:
http://allendale-expedition.net/publications/MT1.PDF
jerry warner - 23 Jul 2008 05:55 GMT Thank you very much Lee. I will put this to immediate use. Jerry
> > > > First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over > > > > Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > http://allendale-expedition.net/publications/MT1.PDF jonatthehelm@gmail.com - 21 Jul 2008 06:57 GMT Complete and total bullshit.
Jonjon
On Jul 18, 2:59 am, "Robert Karl Stonjek" <ston...@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> First Humans To Settle Americas Came From Europe, Not From Asia Over Bering Strait Land-ice Bridge, New Research Suggests > ScienceDaily (July 17, 2008) -
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