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Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] - 13 Apr 2004 01:07 GMT
from a yahoogroup

                       Dr. Barney Maddox, the leading genetic genome researcher, said, concerning these genetic differences, "NOW THE GENETIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HUMAN AND HIS NEAREST RELATIVE, THE CHIMPANZEE, IS AT LEAST 1.6 PERCENT. THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT CALCULATED OUT, THAT IS A GAP OF AT LEAST 48,000,000 NUCLEOTIDES, AND A CHANGE OF ONLY 3 NUCLEOTIDES IS FATAL TO AN ANIMAL; THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF CHANGE.

HUMAN-CHIMP DNA DIFFERENCE TREBLED- SEPT 23RD-2002. NEWSCIENTIST.COM NEWS SERVICE:

                       We are more unique than previously thought, according to new comparisons of human and chimpanzee DNA. It has long been held that we share 98.5 percent of our genetic material with our closest relatives. That now appears to be wrong. IN FACT, WE SHARE LESS THAN 95 PERCENT OF OUR GENETIC MATERIAL, A THREE FOLD INCREASE IN THE VARIATION BETWEEN US AND CHIMPS. The new value came to light when roy Britten of the California Institute of Technology became suspicous about the 98.5 percent figure. Ironically, that number was originally derived from a technique that Britten himself developed decades ago at Caltech with colleague Dave Kohne. BY MEASURING THE TEMPERATURE AT WHICH MATCHING DNA OF TWO SPECIES COMES APART, YOU CAN WORK OUT HOW DIFFERENT THEY ARE. But the technique only picks up a particular type of variation called a single base substitution. These occur whenever a single "letter" differs in corresponding strands of DNA from two species. But there are other major types of variation that the previous analyses ignored. "Insertions" occur whenever a whole section of DNA appears in one species but not in the corresponding strand of the other. Likewise, "deletions" mean that a piece of DNA is missing from one species. Together, they are termed "indels" and Britten seized his chance to evaluate the true variation between the two species when stretches of chimp DNA were published on the internet by teams from the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, Texas, and from the University of Oklahoma. When Britten compared five stretches of chimp DNA with the corresponding pieces of human DNA, he found that single base substitutions accounted for a difference of 1.4 percent, very close to the expected figure. But he also found that the DNA of both species was littered with indels. His comparisons revealed that they add around 4.0 percent to the genetic differences. "We're not any more different than we were, says Britten, "But we see a bit more divergence than before because insertions and deletions are taken into account". "It almost triples the difference". THE RESULT IS ONLY BASED ON ABOUT ONE MILLION DNA BASES OUT OF THE THREE BILLION WHICH MAKE UP THE HUMAN AND CHIMP GENOMES, says Britten. "It's just a glance, he says. But the differences were equally split between "junk" regions that do not have any genes, and gene-rich parts of the genome. Britten thinks it will be some time before we know what it is about our genes that makes us so different from chimps. He thinks the real secrets could lie in "regulatory" regions of DNA that control whole networks of genes. JOURNAL REFERENCE- PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES.

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John  Ings - 13 Apr 2004 03:58 GMT
>                       Dr. Barney Maddox, the leading genetic genome researcher, said, concerning these genetic differences,

Dr. Barney Maddox holds a B.S. in biology from Texas Christian
University and an M.D. from UTSW Medical School in Dallas.  His
residency in urology was done through the University of Missouri, and
he now is in private practice.  In 1997 Dr. Maddox was a committee
member on the Texas State Schoolbook Panel, for biology.
 
He's a "leading genetic genome researcher?" with only a BS in biology?
Yeah suuuure!

## The ICR believes in the Bible! Especially in Job 13:7
Linda - 13 Apr 2004 13:15 GMT
So does that make you  Monkeys uncle then??

> from a yahoogroup
>
>                         Dr. Barney Maddox, the leading genetic genome researcher, said, concerning these genetic differences, "NOW THE GENETIC
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HUMAN AND HIS NEAREST RELATIVE, THE CHIMPANZEE, IS AT
LEAST 1.6 PERCENT. THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT CALCULATED OUT, THAT IS
A GAP OF AT LEAST 48,000,000 NUCLEOTIDES, AND A CHANGE OF ONLY 3 NUCLEOTIDES
IS FATAL TO AN ANIMAL; THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF CHANGE.

>  HUMAN-CHIMP DNA DIFFERENCE TREBLED- SEPT 23RD-2002. NEWSCIENTIST.COM NEWS SERVICE:
>
>                         We are more unique than previously thought, according to new comparisons of human and chimpanzee DNA. It has long been
held that we share 98.5 percent of our genetic material with our closest
relatives. That now appears to be wrong. IN FACT, WE SHARE LESS THAN 95
PERCENT OF OUR GENETIC MATERIAL, A THREE FOLD INCREASE IN THE VARIATION
BETWEEN US AND CHIMPS. The new value came to light when roy Britten of the
California Institute of Technology became suspicous about the 98.5 percent
figure. Ironically, that number was originally derived from a technique that
Britten himself developed decades ago at Caltech with colleague Dave Kohne.
BY MEASURING THE TEMPERATURE AT WHICH MATCHING DNA OF TWO SPECIES COMES
APART, YOU CAN WORK OUT HOW DIFFERENT THEY ARE. But the technique only picks
up a particular type of variation called a single base substitution. These
occur whenever a single "letter" differs in corresponding strands of DNA
from two species. But there are other major types of variation that the
previous analyses ignored. "Insertions" occur whenever a whole section of
DNA appears in one species but not in the corresponding strand of the other.
Likewise, "deletions" mean that a piece of DNA is missing from one species.
Together, they are termed "indels" and Britten seized his chance to evaluate
the true variation between the two species when stretches of chimp DNA were
published on the internet by teams from the Baylor College of Medicine in
Houston, Texas, and from the University of Oklahoma. When Britten compared
five stretches of chimp DNA with the corresponding pieces of human DNA, he
found that single base substitutions accounted for a difference of 1.4
percent, very close to the expected figure. But he also found that the DNA
of both species was littered with indels. His comparisons revealed that they
add around 4.0 percent to the genetic differences. "We're not any more
different than we were, says Britten, "But we see a bit more divergence than
before because insertions and deletions are taken into account". "It almost
triples the difference". THE RESULT IS ONLY BASED ON ABOUT ONE MILLION DNA
BASES OUT OF THE THREE BILLION WHICH MAKE UP THE HUMAN AND CHIMP GENOMES,
says Britten. "It's just a glance, he says. But the differences were equally
split between "junk" regions that do not have any genes, and gene-rich parts
of the genome. Britten thinks it will be some time before we know what it is
about our genes that makes us so different from chimps. He thinks the real
secrets could lie in "regulatory" regions of DNA that control whole networks
of genes. JOURNAL REFERENCE- PROCEEDINGS OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF
SCIENCES.

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Dunk - 13 May 2004 03:58 GMT
>from a yahoogroup --  group of yahoos?
>
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> AND A CHANGE OF ONLY 3 NUCLEOTIDES IS FATAL TO AN ANIMAL;
> THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF CHANGE.

Then we are all dead.  You are a mutant 50 to 100 times over.

> HUMAN-CHIMP DNA DIFFERENCE TREBLED- SEPT 23RD-2002. NEWSCIENTIST.COM NEWS SERVICE:

This came out some time back.  It a case of measuring the difference a
different way.  You are still an ape.
Suggested reading for those who are just finding out they are apes:
_Ape and Essence_ by Aldous Huxley.

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Dunk
 
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