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Article: Split Between English and Scots Older Than Thought

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Robert Karl Stonjek - 19 Jul 2004 23:09 GMT
Split Between English and Scots Older Than Thought
By Louise Gray, Scottish Press Association

The ancient split between the English and Scots is older than previously thought, an Oxford don said today.

Traditionally the difference between the English and Scots, Welsh, Irish and Cornish was attributed to the foreign influence of invading forces such as the Anglo-Saxons, Celts and Vikings settling in different areas of Britain hundreds of years ago.

But Professor Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford University, believes the difference originates much further back in history.

In a book tracing humankind from its origins in Africa 80,000 years ago, Prof Oppenheimer develops a theory of the original inhabitants of Britain.

The professor of clinical sociomedical sciences at Oxford University said the Celts of Western Scotland, Wales, Ireland and Cornwall are descended from an ancient people living on the Atlantic coast while Britain was still attached to mainland Europe, while the English are more closely related to the Germanic peoples of the interior.

As evidence he cites genetic data showing the Celts are more closely related to the Basque people of south west France and the Celts of Brittany and Spain, while the English are closer to the Germans descended from the Anglo Saxons.

In the past the split was attributed to "migration, invasion and replacement", but Prof Oppenheimer said the difference was established long before Britain was even an island.

He said: "The first line between England and the Celts was put down at a much earlier period, say 10,000 years ago."

The professor, who is speaking at the Edinburgh Science Festival tonight, said Britons are descended from the original settlers, rather than later invasions, and as such were already split by the western divide.

He said: "The English are the odd-ones-out because they are the ones more linked to continental Europe.

"The Scots, the Irish, the Welsh and the Cornish are all very similar in their genetic pattern to the Basque."

However, the professor did say later invasions will have influenced the developing cultures in different areas of Britain.

He said: "The people themselves may have been more conservative about their movement but accepted new cultures coming in at different dates."

The revelations are all part of Prof Oppenheimer's controversial theory, expanded in his book The Real Eve: Modern Man's Journey Out of Africa, that humans migrated from Africa and populated the planet.

The professor will speak about his theory in a talk entitled Out of Eden at the Apex International Hotel in the Grassmarket tonight.

From the Scotsman
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2767300

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Explorer8939 - 21 Jul 2004 01:20 GMT
There are many problems with this analysis:

a) What is a Scot? How does the Pict heritage impact the Scotish
'Celts'?

b) How can one identify an English Celt, given the repeated Germanic
invasions of England post-Roman Conquest?

c) How can one distinguish a Welsh Celt from a displaced English Celt
who ancestors relocated from English in the face of Germanic
invasions?
deowll - 22 Jul 2004 02:46 GMT
> There are many problems with this analysis:
>
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> who ancestors relocated from English in the face of Germanic
> invasions?

Human hair from the right place and time might tell you who had what genes.
I don't mean the root. It turns out or at least it's claimed that you can
get good results from some human hair with the right tech.
 
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