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Good Paleontology schools in NE

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Tyler Kerr - 24 Aug 2004 04:02 GMT
I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
branches due to the lack of deserts and such. I was just wondering if
anyone can lend a hand and tell me of any good schools that are strong
in Paleontology or at least have a decent program, hopefully colleges
that are in the North East, or at least the eastern United States.
Thanks.
John Harshman - 24 Aug 2004 13:56 GMT
> I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
> live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
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> that are in the North East, or at least the eastern United States.
> Thanks.

What kind of paleontologly? Vertebrate paleo is in pretty good shape at
Yale. Or were you looking for something cheaper?
Tyler Kerr - 24 Aug 2004 19:28 GMT
> > I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
> > live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> What kind of paleontologly? Vertebrate paleo is in pretty good shape at
> Yale. Or were you looking for something cheaper?

Vertebrate paleontology is what I'd like to do. Hopefully work my way
from a technician who works in the field to something bigger and
better for raking in the dough. But before I worry about money, I'm
looking at colleges. I have conisdered Yale but it is pretty expensive
and a pretty hard college to get into. Are there any cheaper ones in
the north east? Thanks!
Tyler
John Harshman - 25 Aug 2004 16:41 GMT
>>>I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
>>>live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> and a pretty hard college to get into. Are there any cheaper ones in
> the north east? Thanks!

You seem to be under a few misapprehensions. First, that vertebrate
paleontology is a good way to "rake in the dough". Forget about that. It
doesn't pay any better than any other academic job, i.e. if you're
interested in money, try some other line of work. Second, you seem to
think that vertebrate paleo is limited to the arid west. That's true of
most good dinosaur deposits, but certainly not of vertebrate paleo as a
whole. Some of the best early tetrapods are found in Pennsylvania, for
example. Third, you seem to think that you can specialize in
paleontology as an undergraduate. Very unlikely. You need a degree in
biology and/or geology (double major would be nice), which you can get
just about anywhere. Then you can try graduate school, and the good news
about that is that if you're accepted, they pay you. If you want extra
thrills as an undergrad, look for a university with a good vertebrate
paleontologist, and you might get to help out in preparation or even
collecting. But that's extra. Anyway, there are plenty of such people in
the northeast. I would suggest this strategy: look at the web sites of
any schools you are otherwise interested in, and see if their faculty
includes any vertebrate paleontologists. Mostly they will be in geology
departments. Also, there are many universities in the neighborhoods of
major museums (like the Smithsonian and American Museum), and the
vertebrate paleontologists at these museums are usually adjunct faculty
there. Even if they aren't, you are free to volunteer at those museums.
Tyler Kerr - 26 Aug 2004 04:34 GMT
> >>>I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
> >>>live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> vertebrate paleontologists at these museums are usually adjunct faculty
> there. Even if they aren't, you are free to volunteer at those museums.

Thanks to all of you for these helpful hints, I must seem pretty
ignorant Heh heh. My dream of becoming a paleontologist seems harder
and harder to acheive with every post, but I'll still try to find
something as you all suggested. Maybe I could make Yale, I don't know.
As I go, I just have a few final, last minute questions.

1). Is it possible to study the Eocene period? (what I think it was
called, what I'm looking for is the period roughly around the Ice Age,
or more vaguely the time when all the mammals such as Mammoths, Giant
Sloths, Smilodon existed.)I think that time was fascinating.

2. If paleontology doesn't work out as planned, are there any close
careers or paths I can take to get almost the same experience? I like
vertebrate paleontology and I especially like dinosaurs, early
mammals, and hope to start off doing field work. Thanks again to you
guys for helping me clear up a few things, and now I'll know where to
turn when I have another few hundred questions!
John Harshman - 26 Aug 2004 16:23 GMT
>>>>>I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
>>>>>live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
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> or more vaguely the time when all the mammals such as Mammoths, Giant
> Sloths, Smilodon existed.)I think that time was fascinating.

Sure it's possible. But you mean Pleistocene. (Actually, I like the
Eocene better. Look up Green River Formation.)

> 2. If paleontology doesn't work out as planned, are there any close
> careers or paths I can take to get almost the same experience? I like
> vertebrate paleontology and I especially like dinosaurs, early
> mammals, and hope to start off doing field work. Thanks again to you
> guys for helping me clear up a few things, and now I'll know where to
> turn when I have another few hundred questions!

If it's just field work you like, have you considered ecology or
conservation biology, or even historical geology? My advice: go to some
university, somewhere. Take biology and geology courses. There should be
some sort of field courses in both of these. There should also be summer
field work opportunities in both. (In my area, ornithology, there are
all sorts of summer jobs for field assistants in all parts of the
country. Some of them even pay you.) Talk to professors. Learn as much
as you can about what the work is actually like. Then, after a few
years, after which you should also have a bachelor's degree in
something, you will be able to figure out what you really want to do.
You just don't have enough information now. As for picking the
university, you might check course catalogs to see which ones offer a
vertebrate paleontology course. Often these are graduate courses and not
available to you, but it will give you a clue that there will be
opportunities. Check out the faculty bios too. It doesn't hurt to pick a
university partly on that basis. But now you just need an undergraduate
degree. Plenty of time later to pick a grad school if you find out you
really want to go that way.
Inyo - 25 Aug 2004 06:33 GMT
>Subject: Re: Good Paleontology schools in NE
>From: John Harshman jharshman.diespamdie@pacbell.net
>Message-ID: <412B3C29.9070305@pacbell.net>

>Tyler Kerr wrote:ches due to the lack of deserts and such.

I was just wondering if
>> anyone can lend a hand and tell me of any good schools that are strong
>> in Paleontology or at least have a decent program, hopefully colleges
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>What kind of paleontologly? Vertebrate paleo is in pretty good shape at
>Yale. Or were you looking for something cheaper?

Agreed. For Vertebrate Paleo, Yale is simply great, I believe.

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Don Kenney - 30 Aug 2004 08:13 GMT
>I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
>live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>that are in the North East, or at least the eastern United States.
>Thanks.

The other folks who have responded to your posts are professional
paleontologists.  I'm an amateur -- a non-academic computer type.  But
it seems to me that if you have a genuine interest in Paleo you
probably ought to be out looking for fossils in your local rocks.  I
expect that a lot of your questions will start to answer themselves if
you try that.

I understand that High School students often have limited mobility and
there are places where fossils are rare to nonexistent.  But still,
the majority of the people in the US and Canada live within walking,
bike riding, or bus distance of fossil outcrops of some sort.  If you
can tell us where  you live, I'll try to tell you a little about your
local geology and perhaps suggest some places you can go to look for
fossils.
Tyler Kerr - 30 Aug 2004 19:27 GMT
> >I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
> >live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> local geology and perhaps suggest some places you can go to look for
> fossils.

Since this is the internet, im gonna play it safe...I'm not going to
get anymore specific than to say I live around New Hampshire and
Massachusetts.
Don Kenney - 01 Sep 2004 14:17 GMT
>> >I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
>> >live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
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>get anymore specific than to say I live around New Hampshire and
>Massachusetts.

Tain't the absolute worst place in the country fossilwise, but it's
far from the best.  If you're in the general area of
Nashua/Salem/Lowell/Lawrence, you are in a belt of mid Paleozoic
sedimentary rocks that have been rather severely altered.  It's
possible that you can find some fossils that others have overlooked,
but it's not too likely -- especially since you probably don't have
much idea what you are looking for. Some Devonian marine fossils were
reported many decades ago in gravel pits in Boxford, MA.  There used
to be some small outcrops of red silstone on Rt 1 in Rowley that had
some well preserved Devonian ostracods.  There are some interesting
early Paleozoic sites in the Boston Basin, but access would be a
problem.  There is a thick sequence of mid-late paleozoic sediments in
the Naragansett Basin with plant fossils and a few insects

If you are further West, say around Keene/Northfield, there is a belt
of Silurian/Devonian rocks that lies parallel to and generally just
East of the Conneticut River that has some marine fossils.  And from
about Greenfield, MA south, there are extensive exposures of Red
Triassic-Jurassic sandstones with dinosaur footprints, wood scraps,
etc.

Possibly a good start would be your local library.  Often the best
information on your local geology and paleontology (if any) will be
found in publications from the USGS or your state geology service that
will be stashed in a "Pamphlet" file.  You might try contacting the
Geology departments at some of the region's many colleges and
universities.  Maybe they will have some thoughts.
Tyler Kerr - 01 Sep 2004 20:22 GMT
> >> >I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
> >> >live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
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> Geology departments at some of the region's many colleges and
> universities.  Maybe they will have some thoughts.

Wow, thats prett extensive, thanks! I'll look into visiting some of those sites!
Tyler Kerr - 30 Aug 2004 21:45 GMT
> >I'm a junior in High School and have begun to look at colleges, but I
> >live in the North East, where Paleontology isn't as strong as other
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> local geology and perhaps suggest some places you can go to look for
> fossils.

Since this is the internet, i wont get specific...but I live around
New Hampshire, Vermont, and Massachusets
 
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