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Natural Science Forum / Biology / Paleontology / September 2004Neanderthal man and the language
Owing to a lot of researchers, Neandertal man could'nt talk on account of a difference between our and their phonateur system. For a few year, new discovery could demonstrate that they could talk: a hyoide bone of an neandetal men which have been discovered in israel was identical with homo sapiens sapiens's bone(their shape were the same). therfore they could vibrate their vocal cords and product sounds. The second step to check if they could talk is to see if they could be able to use the sound to communicate: for that, the brain have to be enough evoluate to express abstrate notions. Today, we can't say if the language of neandertal men was as complex as ours. However, we knew that their society was complexe, althought the notion of art wasn't obvius: they had the notion of death( they buried death people).They express the notion of death with rituals, i don't know why they couldn't express this notion with launguage. During the last seven millions years, the broca area increase steadily: it would be insane to say that the language appears only at the end of our evolution, therefore the common ancestor between neandertalien men and homo sapiens sapiens(-200000 years) have already an important broca area, therefore they were able to communicate,therefore it's logical that neandertal men could talk. A few researcher are against this fact because they aren't able to admit that two different species of human could exist at the same time: it's for this reason that they try to discover any argument to deny this fact,at the risk of to seem people who have weird mind. <snip> > During the last seven millions years, the broca area increase > steadily: it would be insane to say that the language appears only at > the end of our evolution, therefore the common ancestor between > neandertalien men and homo sapiens sapiens(-200000 years) <snip> Am I out of date (again... sigh!) or am I misreading your post? I take it that your 200,000 years refers to H. sapiens sapiens or (less likely) the "common ancestor" between us and Neanderthals. The earliest date I've seen for H. sapiens sapiems is ~150,000 years, but more commonly around 130,000 years. And since H. sapiens neaderthalensis dates to ~300,000 years, that rules out a common ancestor. If you meant what I read, do you have a reliable reference for your 200,000 years? (Google giives 585 hits for < "Homo sapiens sapiens" "200,000 years" > but a sampling did not tie the date to the emergence of H. sapiens sapiens.) Regards, Brett Aubrey. > Owing to a lot of researchers, Neandertal man could'nt talk on account > of a difference between our and their phonateur system. There's reason to believe that NOBODY (neanderthals or anybody else) used spoken speech more than a few thousand years ago: http://www.bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/babel.html My little book on prehistory (Dinosaurs/Gravity) also goes into that sort of thing in a bit more detail, and is available at the products/books section of bearfabrique: http://www.bearfabrique.org/books/books.html Ted Holden www.bearfabrique.org NOBODY spoke a few thousand years ago? That is a bunch of sheep-dip. I am sure Neanderthal spoke. He may well have been limited in his vowels and consonents, abd his psychology was not future oriented it seems, but to think he could not speak is nonsense. The Cro-Magnons who replaced him certainly spoke. Some think Basque is a Cro-Magnon language, and it is the most complex language in the world. Chris----MtLoweMan@aol.Com > NOBODY spoke a few thousand years ago? > > That is a bunch of sheep-dip. I am sure Neanderthal spoke. He "spoke" all right, but it wasn't the kind of spoken speech which we use now. Try reading the article I linked to. > > NOBODY spoke a few thousand years ago? > > > > That is a bunch of sheep-dip. I am sure Neanderthal spoke. > > He "spoke" all right, but it wasn't the kind of spoken speech which we use > now. Try reading the article I linked to. I tried reading it but gave up at: "Everybody who follows the evolution debate knows by now that evolution doesn't work for animals" Regards, Brett. > Owing to a lot of researchers, Neandertal man could'nt talk on account > of a difference between our and their phonateur system. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > people).They express the notion of death with rituals, i don't know > why they couldn't express this notion with launguage. Neanderthal man extinct? I know/knew two of them and they live in Europe ( and they do have familiy too, think that there are a lot more of them). Can not see any difference with other people. Bert RvB. > During the last seven millions years, the broca area increase > steadily: it would be insane to say that the language appears only at [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > time: it's for this reason that they try to discover any argument to > deny this fact,at the risk of to seem people who have weird mind. |
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