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KT Boundary Impact Responsible for rise of mammals/humans?

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Mr. Johnson - 20 Sep 2004 20:45 GMT
I found this article on the web and I need help understanding if
mammals thus Homo Sapiens would have come into bing if not for
KT/Chicxulub impact please read it and post a reply...

Mr. Johnson

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Somewhere in Oklahoma...

I was sitting by myself this morning thinking "What are the odds of an
Anthropomorphic (human body type) species evolving on another planet
independently of terrestrial evolution?"

As I sat and thought I considered several things. First off it seems
highly unlikely that mammals would be the dominant life forms on the
Earth today if it had not been for the asteroid impact 65 million
years ago which some refer to as the KT boundary impact or Chicxulub
impact. This chance impact caused a mass extinction event, the
dinosaurs went extinct which paved the way for mammilian dominance. If
this random impact hadn't happened mammals wouldn't have risen to
dominance and Homo Sapiens wouldn't even exist in the first place. The
odds of that same exact sequence of events happening on another planet
are close enough to impossible as to be absolutely impossible.

Secondly, it seems that given all the variables involved in the
evolutionary rise of Homo Sapiens from lower primates, the likelihood
of another Anthropomorphic species that resembles us evolving
independently on another planet must be astronomically slim.

So starting from the assumption that the Anthropomorphic body type,
specifically Homo Sapiens, are unique to planet Earth, we are left
with a bit of a problem. How might it be possible that an
Anthropomorphic Species (as intelligent as us) that is obviously
related to us could exist given the previous assumption?

Actually I'm curious becuase of a television program I saw about a
type of aircraft crash long ago. This television program showed the
deceased occupants being pulled from the wreckage. Something was odd
and yet at the same time very familiar about the appearance of the
pilots of the vehicle. They looked almost just like you and me.
However they were distinctly shorter and thinner than the average
modern person.

So anyways...

That program got me wondering. Using a combination of selective
breeding and some form of genetic engineering could we bring into
being a separate species, evolved from Homo Sapien ancestors, that
still retained the Hominid body type yet was visually different than
ourselves?

Well yes of course we could, animal breeders do it to to cows, dogs
and cats, farmers do it to crops, and scientists do it to fruit flies.
Though as far as I know a separate species of cow has yet to come into
being, it is the same concept to a lesser degree.

There is a slight problem here, in order to breed a new species it
takes time. If I cross breed two Homo Sapiens with the expectation of
using the offspring's desired traits to in turn breed a Homo Sapien
with A greater _expression of the desired characteristic, I have to
wait until the first one reaches sexually maturity before He/She can
reproduce. Breeding a separate Hominid species would be a task of
generations of time.

A greater problem exists with genetic engineering, we could use
genetic engineering coupled with selective breeding to create a new
human like species, but of course genetic engineering of this type
really didn't come about until the 1970's

Well, that is a wee bit of a problem, considering the fact that modern
genetic engineering techniques, ( let alone Crick and Watson's
landmark discovery ) did not even exist at the time this crash was
said to have taken place.

Ok, so once again given the slim to none odds of an Anthropomorphic /
Hominid species evolving on another planet independently of
terrestrial evolution given all of the variables involved there cannot
be human like people *unrelated* to us who live on other planets.

Even if there is a form of life on other planets, the life forms would
still need to evolve manipulative appendages like the human hand to do
such things as either dig by hand or by machines built by hand the
ore/metals to build spacecraft, radio transmitters, etc. No hands or
hand equivalent equals no "people" native to somewhere else visiting
us on Earth.
See http://www.massey.ac.nz/~alock/hbook/hand.htm for a tip on the
evolution of the hand from our tree climbing mammal ancestors.

So here are our assumption's.

1. There cannot be any Hominid human appearing people who evolved on
another planet completely independently from the evolution of life
(and Homo Sapiens) on Earth. There are simply too many variables
involved for another Homo-Sapien like species to evolve twice by
chance alone.

2. Assume that Homo Sapiens evolved from lower primates that
themselves evolved on Earth as a result of natural selection, pure
chance without any outside manipulation intelligent beings. Earth is
where all Hominids originated from.

2. A distinctly separate species of Hominid descended from Homo
Sapiens could not be selectively bred without generations of time.

3. In order to utilize genetic engineering to assist in
evolving/creating a new Hominid species, it goes without saying that
we must have genetic engineering (recombinant DNA technology) in the
first place. This technology came into being some time in the 1970's.
See www.anth.org/ifgene/history.htm .

4. Assume for a moment that the the program I was watching on
television was a non-fictional re-enactment very close to actual
historical events.
Remember that this program showed a crashed aircraft with apparently
deceased people being pulled from the wreckage. Remember that these
people look different than any person that you've probably ever seen
before. They are all almost uniform in height and build compared with
any group of average modern Homo-Sapiens. Not that looking different
is bad, appearance does not character make. Assume that, at a glance,
these people are the obvious product of selective breeding, genetic
engineering ("gene-splicing" or some combination of these two
techniques. Assume that you realize that these people are descended
from modern Homo-Sapiens.

5. Assume that this aircraft crash happened BEFORE genetic engineering
came into being.

6. Assume that even traveling at the speed of light from our nearest
neighbor star (Proxima Centauri) it would take, roughly guesstimating,
10, 000 pounds of food and water for 4 people to survive for the 4
year journey from the nearest star outside our solar system. This does
not even include the weight of Oxygen necessary for breathing. Of
course this figures would be greater the farther the star of origin is
from Earth. For example, for 4 people to travel to Earth at light
speed from a planet 39 light years away would take, 100,000 pounds of
food and water to survive a ONE WAY trip this alone
Seep://people.howstuffworks.com/question720.htmI

7. Assume that traveling at the speed of light is not possible due to
the fact that the faster your spaceship travels the more it's mass
increases thus requiring more fuel to propel the greater mass, and so
on and so forth.
Ok, how can it be possible that a type of aircraft full of people,
descended from us, brought into being by technology we didn't have
yet, crashed into the Earth on a summer day almost 60 years ago?

Can you guess what incident I am referring to?

************* Read this first and then I'll tell you
**********************

Suspend disbelief for a moment and read the following.

This "aircraft" was a Time-Machine and it's occupants are merely what
one branch of present day Homo-Sapiens "evolve" into in the future.

These people who piloted the aircraft are the result of an intentional
program of selective breeding, genetic engineering, or some
combination of both.

I don't consider it my place to judge how they came into being, that
would be equivalent to people in dark ages Europe judging us for
inventing airplanes ( long BEFORE the dark age Europeans found the
Enlightenment) because they couldn't comprehend the benefits from
their own cultural/temporal perspective. Same concept.

Did you guess what incident I am referring to?

The program I was watching on television depicted an event that
happened sometime before July 7th 1947 ( long before "gene-splicing"
was invented. ) This program showed an "aircraft'' which crashed into
a ranch in ranch in the vicinity of Roswell, New Mexico. This program
depicted government agents cordoning of the area of the crash,
removing the craft and the slimly built, bald, shorter than us,
corpses from the wreckage.

A local newspaper reported the capture of a "flying disc", and soon
after national radio broadcast the report. The government quickly
began the process of covering it up. Witness's were silenced. An
official denial by the government followed.

Then for almost 40 years very little was said amongst the general
public about the incident until the supposedly debunked "Majestic
Twelve" document appeared on a UFO investigators doorstep in 1984. If
you read this document critically, it seems like a "where there's
smoke there's fire" type of thing. Though when I read it I couldn't
see the smoke through the flames.

These links will direct you to the "Majestic Twelve Briefing Document"
you can read it for yourself and decide..

___________BEGIN MAJESTIC TWELVE
LINKS_________________________________

http://www.abcfield.force9.co.uk/maj12.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Vault/6291/govment8.htm

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/mj12.html

__________END MAJESTIC TWELVE
LINKS____________________________________

So as you've probably figured out by now, there is obviously something
more to the "Roswell Incident" than a crashed weather balloon that the
first military observers on the scene should have been able to
identify with a simple radio call to the nearby base.

And, if your name isn't "born yesterday", you've probably put two and
two together and realized that it's been covered up for a couple of
generations continuing on into the present day.

So we have a cover up on a grand scale of information that just might
come as a complete shock to more than a couple people.

It seems to me that the government probably remembered the panic
following Orson Wells October 31st 1938 broadcast of War of the
Worlds, in which many listeners mistook the radio drama for a news
broadcast of an actual Martian invasion. The government probably
thought the populace would react the same way to the Roswell crash.

***Disclaimer*** I do not believe that every member of the U.S.
Government is involved in this cover-up, or even aware of it. I
suspect it is a limited group of very quiet government/business types
direct the concealment of evidence, every one else probably just buys
the strict denial and disinformation without a second thought, though
I could be wrong***

At some point after the government had publicly denied the "flying
disc" incident, someone involved in the concealment of the facts must
have finally realized that the beings were related to us. (after
genetic testing was invented) Someone must have realized that these
"aircraft" that these "people" arrived in are in fact time-machines. I
would imagine they probably felt somewhat stupid when they realized
that the "alien invaders" were merely, in a sense, our
great-great-great-great-"grandchildren" paying us a visit.

So, the government must be aware that there is no danger of an alien
invasion, and thus no panic caused by one, why the cover-up? First
they probably don't want to "lose face" by admitting they lied.
Second, they probably don't want to tell all the nasty things they had
to do to conceal it, we probably don't really want to know anyways.
Also they might be a little worried about how the world would react to
time-travelers from the future.

First, could the general population of the world understand these very
complicated concepts and what the implications are?

Second, even if the entire world could understand this, how would they
react?

I was mildly excited about the time-travel part when I figured it out
(by myself), but I didn't freak out at the concept of a slightly
different looking type of person from the future. But that might only
be because I have a layman's (I get the general idea) understanding of
the concepts you've just read about in this entire document.

The UFO's are merely time machines, and the so called aliens are just
time travelers from the future. They are merely what Homo-Sapiens, at
least one branch, "evolve" into in the future. That's it, that's all.
Time Travelers from the future.

That about wraps up the revelation of the Roswell mystery.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PART 2: No discussion of time travel can be complete without
considering the Free Will vs. Determinism question, especially from
the time travelers perspective.

In the Determinist (fixed time theory) argument, you cannot use time
machines to change history, it is impossible . It does not work like
that.

See http://dir.yahoo.com/Arts/Humanities/Philosophy/Free_Will_and_Determinism/

Now giving equal time to the Free Will argument (in relation to the
time traveler) here is a story by noted science fiction author Ray
Bradbury

"Sound of Thunder"
You can buy a copy at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/006054242X/qid=1095365673/sr=1-1/r
ef=sr_1_1/002-4778699-4535250?v=glance&s=books


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PART 2: E.L.F. Should be banned, or at the very least given maximum
public exposure so that no one can get away with using this technology
for unjustifiable purposes.

You may wonder why I have brought all this to your attention. Let me
be perfectly honest.

I am doing this because of another little thing that the some elements
within the government aren't exactly going out of their way to tell
people about. The next thing I am going to reveal to you is something
known by some as E.L.F. technology (Extremely Low Frequency) . E.L.F.
seems to also be called "voice to skull" or "radio frequency weapons."
This technology, believe it or not, can be used to transmit the sound
of your voice to someone else's ears from a distance without any
noticeable means of transmission. In a nutshell you can project
"voice" right into someone's head without them even realizing it. The
implications are frightening. The potential for abuse cannot be
overstated.

First there are several lunatic fringe and obvious disinformation
sites on the web about E.L.F. You need to ctritically evaluate what
you read.

See this link first http://mindcontrolforum.net/ban.htm#f27

See this link second http://raven1.net/ravindex.htm 

Here are is some information that supports that this technology is
very real. Not to mention very dangerous.

********************************BEGIN
ARTICLE********************************
From http://raven1.net/v2s-nasa.htm 

TITLE: Effects of low power microwaves on the local cerebral blood
flow of conscious rats
Eleanor White's inserted note: See the BOLDED text below. This
abstract has implications FAR beyond "rats".
Document ID: 19810004209 N (81N12720) File Series: NASA Technical
Reports

Report Number: AD-A090426

Sales Agency & Price: CASI Hardcopy A02 CASI Microfiche A01

Authors:
Oscar, K. J. (Army Mobility Equipment Command)

Published: Jun 01, 1980

Corporate Source:
Army Mobility Equipment Command (Fort Belvoir, VA, United States)

Pages: 10

Contract Number: None
NASA Subject Category: LIFE SCIENCES (GENERAL)
Abstract:
A decoy and deception concept presently being considered is to
remotely create the perception of noise in the heads of personnel by
exposing them to low power, pulsed microwaves. When people are
illuminated with properly modulated low power microwaves the sensation
is reported as a buzzing, clicking, or hissing which seems to
originate (regardless of the person's position in the field) within or
just behind the head. The phenomena occurs at average power densities
as low as microwatts per square centimeter with carrier frequencies
from 0.4 to 3.0 GHz. By proper choice of pulse characteristics,
intelligible speech may be created. Before this technique may be
extended and used for military applications, an understanding of the
basic principles must be developed. Such an understanding is not only
required to optimize the use of the concept for camouflage, decoy and
deception operations but is required to properly assess safety factors
of such microwave exposure.

Major Subject Terms:
AUDITORY PERCEPTION BRAIN CIRCULATION DECEPTION MICROWAVES
PHYSIOLOGICAL EFFECTS RADIATION EFFECTS

Minor Subject Terms:
BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS HEMODYNAMICS MILITARY TECHNOLOGY RADIATION DOSAGE
SOUND LOCALIZATION

Language Note: English

NASA Access Help Desk
E-mail: help@sti.nasa.gov
Phone: 301-621-0390 FAX: 301-621-0134
Eleanor White's comments: I have received this report in it's entirety
and I find that the article itself is about the title: Cerebral blood
flow in rats. We involuntary experimentees are extremely lucky that
the authors mentioned the success of microwave voice to skull
transmission in this official document.

Below I have extracted some of the references to the full document
which appear to be more promising and specific. This sub-list is
guesswork since the references omit article titles, but any articles
by Frey or Justesen are potentially useful.

1. Frey, A.H., Messenger, R. and Eichert, E., National Technical
Information Service, Doc. No. AD747684 (1972)5. Justesen, D.R., IEEE
Spectrum 16, 67-68 (1979)7. Frey, A.H., Feld, S.R., & Frey, B. Annals
of N.Y. Academy of Science, 247, 433-439 (1975)18. Frey, A.H., &
Messenger, R., Science 181, 356-358 (1973)25. Frey, A.H., & Feld,
S.R., Journal of Comp. Physiology and Psychology, 89, 183-188
(1975)27. King, N.W., Justesen, D.R., & Clarke, R.L., Science 172,
398-401 (1977)

***********END ARTICLE*************************************

Once again the reason I have sent this letter is twofold.
First, to deflate the fear of nonexistent alien invasion in your mind
so that when the truth is revealed we won't have a panic. Second, to
draw attention to E.L.F. (radio frequency weapons) to bring about a
ban or at the very least greater exposure to the mind of the general
public of what this technology is and how it is used.

Have A Nice Day

Mr. Anthony La Mantia

I finished typing this text on Mon Sep 20 19:37:33 2004 UTC

You may reproduce in any format this document in any format, makes as
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John Harshman - 20 Sep 2004 21:36 GMT
> I found this article on the web and I need help understanding if
> mammals thus Homo Sapiens would have come into bing if not for
> KT/Chicxulub impact please read it and post a reply...

Mammals already existed at the time of the KT event. Obviously if you
make a big change in history, many things would have turned out
differently, and it's almost certain that Homo sapiens would never have
evolved. This is an entirely different question from whether mammals
would have diversified without the extinction of most dinosaurs, or
whether an intelligent, bipedal primate would have evolved, or whether
any intelligent species of any sort would have evolved. The answer to
all those questions is "we don't know".

And an extremely long and labored explanation (involving a great many
questionable assumptions) for the Roswell crash is hardly required if in
fact the Roswell crash never happened. Which it didn't.

> Mr. Johnson
>
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> You may reproduce in any format this document in any format, makes as
> many copies/ web pages with it as you want, and send it to any one.
Chris Keller - 21 Sep 2004 18:36 GMT
A very intesting idea.  

Of course evidence now suggests that not only mammals were as old as the
dinosaurs but primates were around a good ten million years prior to the
arrival of the Chixalub bolide.  

It is possible that primates in the Cretaceous were somewhere in the world the
dominant arboreal type then living.

Not all the dinosaurs became extinct.  The birds lived on, and they are
theropods.  

The first dinosaurs had a better method of locomotion than the early mammals
(their hip joint.  Ever try to catch a peacock on foot?) and thus got
dominance.  But they were poorly equipped for cold, starvation,  sudden hot
spells and the Chixalub wasteland.  Which makes one wonder if any body type is
really better, or if chance governs evolution more than previously thought.

Chris----MtLoweMan@aol.Com
Brett Aubrey - 24 Sep 2004 02:44 GMT
> I found this article on the web and I need help understanding if
> mammals thus Homo Sapiens would have come into bing if not for
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>
> BEGIN ARTICLE

< snip >

"Humans are not the end result of predictable evolutionary progress, but
rather a fortuitous cosmic afterthought, a tiny little twig on the
enormously arborescent bush of life, which if replanted from seed, would...
not grow this twig again."  -Stephen J. Gould   10 Sept 1941 - 20 May 2002

Not a response to directly answer your query, but possibley of relevance.
Regards,  Brett Aubrey.
 
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