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Found A Weird Beak or Claw in Rock ??

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dun - 13 May 2005 22:48 GMT
Here in beautiful, rocky Tennessee, my husband found a fossil of some
sort in the creek bed. Of course, he is the super curious type and has
been bugging me to find out what it is.  Below are photo links.

http://www.therv.net/deb/JoeStuff/beak.jpg
http://www.therv.net/deb/JoeStuff/beak1.jpg
http://www.therv.net/deb/JoeStuff/beak2.jpg

We're calling it a beak but may be a claw. Measures about 2.5" x
1.25".  The rock is just a big clot of fossilized segmented worm
castings. ( I think thats what they are. )  This area has massive
amounts of fossils all over. I guess we were under water at some point
in history. Lots of bivalves everywhere.

Any help on the beak would be appreciated.

thanks!!  Debbie
debb@therv.net
George - 14 May 2005 04:52 GMT
> Here in beautiful, rocky Tennessee, my husband found a fossil of some
> sort in the creek bed. Of course, he is the super curious type and has
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> thanks!!  Debbie
> debb@therv.net

Hmmm.  What part of Tennessee was that found in?  Does the rock fizz when
exposed in a small area with hydrochloric acid?  It almost looks like boxwork,
calamine (zinc carbonate), or limonite (all of which can be found in tennessee).
If it doesn't fizz on exposure to acid, will it scratch a knife blade?  Will it
scratch a chunk of calcite?  Will it scratch your fingernail?  Also, if you
could post some higher resolution images, that would be helpful.  Bivalves are
common in many rocks in tennessee, so that isn't much help without knowing the
location where you found this specimen (perhaps you could also post some images
of the bivalves - sometimes, identifying associated fossils can narrow the
possiibilities).  Rotten chert is another possibility, or maybe even travertine,
as it looks like something found in a cave, or spring entrance (you can also
find similar rock at a contact spring emanating from an outcrop), or in a
weathered chert zone in soil residuum.  As for the possibility that it is a
fossil, it could be, but it is hard to say from these pictures.  If it is
associated with bivalves in tennessee, it is not too likely to be any kind of
'beak'.  One fossil that could conceivably be confused with a beak is an
orthocone cephalopod, which is very common in parts of tennessee.  Having said
that, if this is an orthocone, it is highly weathered.  It doesn't have the
characteristic segments of an orthocone, nor any apparent siphuncle.  Sorry that
I can't be much more help.  Of course, it is always best to actually have the
specimen in hand when examining it, but a higher resoltion image might help,
along with some detailed physical characteristics of the rock (hardness, whether
or not it is brittle, steak - the color of the powder if you crush a small piece
of it, such as rubbing it against a piece of unglazed porcelain, etc.).
dun - 21 May 2005 21:47 GMT
>> Here in beautiful, rocky Tennessee, my husband found a fossil of some
>> sort in the creek bed. Of course, he is the super curious type and has
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>or not it is brittle, steak - the color of the powder if you crush a small piece
>of it, such as rubbing it against a piece of unglazed porcelain, etc.).

Sorry for the delay in getting back to this. I was on the road and
just couldnt get to taking any more photos.  Below are 3 more
pictures. Maybe they will help...

http://www.therv.net/carol/NOV2/rock/Picture%20017.jpg
http://www.therv.net/carol/NOV2/rock/Picture%20016.jpg
http://www.therv.net/carol/NOV2/rock/DSCF0001.JPG

As for the answers to your questions... It was found in southern Giles
county on a creek bank.  I looked up Orthocone.  It doesn't look
anything like this. No segments.   The rock just crumbles when
pressure is applied.  
George - 21 May 2005 23:15 GMT
>>> Here in beautiful, rocky Tennessee, my husband found a fossil of some
>>> sort in the creek bed. Of course, he is the super curious type and has
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> anything like this. No segments.   The rock just crumbles when
> pressure is applied.

Judging from the geology of Giles County, and the pictures you've provided
above, I'd say that this rock is likely mississippian-aged, and appears to be
what is called rotton chert.  Rotten chert occurs from the weathering of
chert-bearing limestone, with the weathered or rotten chert left behind in the
iron-rich clay soil as a residuum.  Looking at the rock closely in the images, I
noticed in the first image, below your index finger and a little to the right,
there is what appears to be a crinoid stem (the little segmented appendage stuck
in the rock).  This is what I would expect to find in this kind of rock in this
area.  That little segment (or one like it) is also apparent at the top of the
rock in the third image. As to your "fossil beak", it is highly unlikely that
that is what it is.  Since this rock contains mississippian-aged crinoid stems
(animals which live in the ocean), it is not possible that a bird beak would be
found in it (especially since birds didn't exist in the Paleozoic era).  What is
more likely is that it is a stringer of more resistent chalcedony that is
disseminated within what was once a frature in the rock and simply has an odd
appearance due to the weathering of the rock.  I suspect that if you go back to
that location, you should find more rocks that are very similar in appearance,
with similar materal running through it.  You might even find some loose crinoid
stems laying about in the weathered soil on the bank of the creek.  If you find
a complete calyx (the head of the crinoid), let me know.  I hope this helps.

George
dun - 21 May 2005 23:22 GMT
>Judging from the geology of Giles County, and the pictures you've provided
>above, I'd say that this rock is likely mississippian-aged, and appears to be
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>
>George

Thank you for you help George. I will happily pass this along to my
ever curious hubby!

deb
George - 21 May 2005 23:33 GMT
>>Judging from the geology of Giles County, and the pictures you've provided
>>above, I'd say that this rock is likely mississippian-aged, and appears to be
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>
> deb

You are most welcome. I would add that my wife also looked at the images (she is
also a geologist) and she noted that my little crinoid stem may also be an
archimedes bryozoan (she she said that it appears to have a cork screw
appearance instead of being segmented, and I won't disagree that this is another
possibility).  That particular bryozoan is a diagnostic fossil for the
Mississippian, so that would narrow the age down even better.
 
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